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I just realized and now believe that the four Supreme Efforts (Cattārō Sammāppadhāna) is literally anapanasati.
I believe the four supreme efforts can be used to as supporting evidence that anapanasati is not breathing meditation. If we take the four supreme efforts literally as anapanasati, how could someone that’s focusing on breathing in out be practicing the four supreme efforts? Such as taking in kusala and discarding akusala?
Thank you Venerable Sir for the beneficial teachings. I was thinking this for a while, but if time permits and makes sense to do so, can you also please write a post or two on the Buddhist practices / customs that’s done / perform for someone that passes away? Or is there good resources out there on this subject? Thanks
‘Why don’t I keep practicing the breathless absorption?’
yannūnāhaṁ appāṇakaṁyeva jhānaṁ jhāyeyyan’ti.– Breathless absorption being mentioned here, is this the same as the 4th jhana?
-“appāṇakaṁyeva jhānaṁ” is another name for the 4th jhana?“So I cut off my breathing through my mouth and nose and ears”
So kho ahaṁ, aggivessana, mukhato ca nāsato ca kaṇṇato ca assāsapassāse uparundhiṁ.– I see the word “assāsapassāse” here, we know assāsapassāse can have 2 different meanings. The conventional meaning of breathing in and out, and the deeper meaning of taking in the noble 8 fold path and discarding what’s not the noble 8 fold path. From what I can understand of the Pali words in the sentence, I don’t believe assāsapassāse latter meaning fits here, but the conventional meaning of breathing in and out would make more sense to me. But I don’t see the word “assāsapassāse” in that sentence being translated as breathing in and out.
– So I’m wondering if “so I cut off my breathing through my mouth and nose and ears” is correct or a good enough translation for “”mukhato ca nāsato ca kaṇṇato ca assāsapassāse uparundhiṁ”? If it is not, can you provide us with another translation?
Venerable Sir,
– “May be I should write a post on those connections? ”
Whatever you consider, my comment would be “your priorities and what you believe is more important for others to know / learn”.
There’s this beneficial post that you wrote. “Kamma and Sankhara, Cetena and Sancetena”
I asked the question to see if there’s any subtle differences between sankhara and cetena that I might not have thought of. As well for the abhidhamma paper that I would like to complete.
Thank you for the reply.
Are there other differences between sankhara and cetana besides one is described through the 5 aggregates and the other is through the universal cetasikas (abhidhamma)? From my understanding, both function’s are very similar. What I mean by function is they both add, incorporate, put things (I don’t know if “things” is the best word) together.
“Also, about guiding others (and in my case just one person), I notice something: this person appreciates the Pali words after understanding their meanings.”
– This person really does have potential!
“After establishing concepts of the big picture (the complex world of 31 realms with a rebirth process) and the mundane path (moral living, avoiding the 10 types of miccha ditthi), a person does appreciate learning Buddha Dhamma with Pali words after they grasp the meanings behind them. They may also come up with analogies of their own when learning key concepts.”
– This has been my exact experience so far. After I started to appreciate learning Buddha Dhamma with Pali words, it’s has helped me tremendously on the path.
Saddhu saddhu saddhu Lang and others for guiding / teaching others the Buddha dhamma. May you, the one’s you’re guiding and all of us living beings attain the Supreme peace and freedom of Nibbana.
Hi Lang,
I agree with your assessment that the chart in the “What is Unique in Buddha Dhamma” post can definitely help to explain more easily the various stages of liberation or enlightenment and give an idea where one is on the path. Someone that’s competent in the Buddha dhamma or an ariya that explains the different parts of the chart, I believe it can help the listener / learner to understand the processes involved and differences between the mundane and transcendental Noble 8 Fold Path. This chart can also give the learner a road map to follow and can be used as a comparison of one’s past and current experiences while one is walking either on the mundane or transcendental Noble 8 Fold Path. The chart (used as a road map or a reflection of one’s current and past experiences) can also possibly increase the readers / listeners / learners confidence and motivation by showing them that they are indeed walking / following on the right path in either achieving their mundane spiritual goals or to attaining Nibbana.
I’ll also add the chart can also be used to explain the difference between the “real” Buddhism and other religions. When someone that can give give a proper / good explanation of the chart like the written materials included in the post of this discussion. I believe it makes it very clear to see the differences between the “real” Buddhist and other religions practices. As well it would be difficult for listeners / learner to refute what’s being explained. But of course people can always think of foolish refutes.
My view / opinion is that the English words awakening, enlightenment, and nibbana are still a bit abstract for the majority of today’s spiritual practitioners and can possibly lead to some confusion, especially to people that are not familiar with the Buddha dhamma. For example, the majority of non-Buddhist today would automatic incline to think the word “awakening” applies to any spiritual person or yogis or anyone that can spew some esoteric or obscure teachings or have proclaimed some form of attainments such as jhana’s. This was my experience anyways while I was learning “new age” materials and sometimes still see it today. I believe it would be beneficial to try to clarify those words and come up with ways according to our understanding of the Buddha dhamma to try to sort out these words for the learner. Trying to explain what nibbana is or why one should put effort into attaining nibbana to a puthujjana, is not an easy task, but can be done partially with the right mundane wordings. As well nibbana is something that only an ariya would have some or full understanding depending on their ariya attainments. I don’t fault people for not understanding it properly or why one should strive to attain Nibbana. It’s like from a sutta, where a householder said to the Buddha. (My wording might not be the most accurate, but my general understanding was this) “For householders giving up sensual pleasure, is unappealing as jumping off a cliff”
– “This is also why Lal had a post about how a sotapanna is better off than a king or a billionaire.”
If I were to mention some details on how the majority of billionaires, people in power, famous people, etc get into their positions in our current times this becomes more apparent. What I have come to learn / seen / understood / know is that in our current times and going forward millions to billions of years from now on this planet. Anyone that lives a regular life, even though one might be poor, struggling to make ends meet or even being homeless, the majority of time one is still better off than being a king, billionaire, in power or being famous in this world. This can change (mundanely) though when the majority of humanity on this planet thoughts, speech, and actions inclines towards the wholesome side. But this doesn’t really matter since no matter what direction the world heads in, it’s still anicca, dukkha, anatta. The word “decadence” is actually a pretty good word to describe the current state of affairs of humans on this planet and about anicca nature.
I can’t remember exactly when and who wrote a post that I came across here in the forums, but someone mentioned / hinted (very subtly) of some very mundane dark things that’s taking place in this world that people have no idea about or can even imagine it’s happening, even for people with intelligence and wisdom. I’m not sure if others understood fully what was being said, it’s not essential to the path anyways. But I exactly knew what this person was saying. Now that I think about it, I should’ve at least replied to show that person he / she is not alone on here that has some idea what’s the current mundane state of affairs of this world. I don’t know how that person feels with what they know, but from my own experience, it’s one of the most saddest, frustrating experience that one has to goes through. Imagine not really being able to say anything to protect / help your love one’s, the people you care about or even people you come across in our everyday lives what’s really being done to them, their families and pretty much 90% plus of this world’s population. The thing is even if people knew, there’s really nothing one can do about it, besides practicing the Buddha dhamma. The Buddha dhamma is the only refuge, protection, shelter one has in / from this world.
I’m not sure if these inputs are what you and others are looking for but hopefully it can help in any way possible.
Thank you for the feedback and comments Venerable Sir,
I know this might be a little far fetch, but could the word “jhana” also have a meaning of “being in the state of taking in the Noble 8 fold path to burn defilements”?
Jha = to burn, ana (from anapanasati)? = taking in the Noble 8 fold path.
I’m wondering what’s others opinion and feedback on what I just mentioned?
This is one example of how broken Buddhism is today.
“They should develop the perception of ugliness to give up greed, love to give up hate, mindfulness of breathing to cut off thinking, and perception of impermanence to uproot the conceit ‘I am’.
asubhā bhāvetabbā rāgassa pahānāya, mettā bhāvetabbā byāpādassa pahānāya, ānāpānassati bhāvetabbā vitakkupacchedāya, aniccasaññā bhāvetabbā asmimānasamugghātāya. Variant: ānāpānassati → ānāpānasati (bj, pts1ed)
Yeah . . .
May everyone be well,
In the Tapussa Sutta, the Buddha mentioned about seeing the benefits of infinite space (ākāsānañcāyatane), infinite consciousness (viññāṇañcāyatane), dimension of nothingness (ākiñcaññāyatane), and dimension of neither perception nor non-perception (nevasaññānāsaññāyatanaṁ).
I’m wondering what are the benefits of those arupa jhana’s? Or does it mention anywhere in the sutta’s the benefits of each those 4 arupa jhana’s?
Thanks
Lal: “vinnana to the trunk of a banana tree (which has no “hardcore” or essence); one becomes tired at the end.”
– At my current understanding, “harāyati” means something similar. Are interpretations and explanations like; no essence / essenceless, no intrinsic value, worthless, meaningless and others is the right concepts used to explain the meaning of harāyati? There seems to be a connection to anatta as well?
Recently I came across an article that mentioned similar information.
In this article, it mentions similar things, in addition to some possible challenges scientists that are critical of the Big Bang theory face from their peers and the “establishment”.
“By the way, I am quite impressed by the progress of LayDhammaFollower. I learned that he is only 23 years old. Sadhu! Sadhu!! Sadhu!!!”
Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu! LayDhammaFollower. When I was 23 years old, I was playing video games and partying my life a way.
Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu! dosakkhayo, nice catch and noticing.
May all of us living beings attain the supreme peace and freedom of Nibbana
I came across a discussion here at Puredhamma a few weeks back. I’m not sure if it’s completely relevant to this discussion, but I thought it might have some minor relevance.
“Wrong English translations of Aniccha, Anatta, Sakkaya ditthi… etc”
About 4/5 down the page, there’s a list of contemplation objects based on aniccānupassanā, dukkhānupassanā, anattānupassanā.
In the Petakopadesa post where Lal mentions “There are even more words used to describe anicca in another Tipitaka Commentary. It is not necessary to analyze each of them”.
I’m not sure if Lal was mentioning about this commentary (Patisambhidamagga)? For my own practice, I don’t / haven’t contemplated on all those contemplation objects. I thought it can be of benefit to a Buddha dhamma practitioner to be at least exposed to it.
