Collection of Videos of medical operations, surgeries, rotting body etc.

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    • #41361
      LayDhammaFollower
      Participant

      We have many distorted saññā about physical body, one of them is that body is beautiful (Sarira).

      As saying goes, “beauty is skin deep”.

      This following link leads to Google drive folder, which was well circulated in Buddhist forum some time ago.

      This folder contains video which will help to see the unfamiliar side of body.

      There are some video of surgeries, child birth, organ operations, autopsy videos, real life beating heart, cutting open stomach etc.

      I am not intending to share this videos for generating the friction/patigha, but, just for that purpose that we can see what is beneath the skin.

      I watched those video almost a year ago. I must confess, I literally couldn’t sleep for a day or two after watching those videos;

      So, be careful.

      I am not 100% sure, if this is fitting to forum, if not, please delete this post.

      Lal’s Comment: Thank you, LayDhammaFollower. I will leave the video only so people can see what an Asubha Bhavana is NOT. Also, see my comment below Lang’s comment. For those who want to watch it, click “Watch on YouTube” and the video will open in a different tab.

      “2 Parts of the body meditation in 16 Languages GR…T Dvattimsakara patikulamanasikara”

      P.S. You can play the video by clicking on “Watch on Youtube.”

    • #41370
      cubibobi
      Participant

      I took a quick peek, and my guess is that these videos may be “too much reality” for most of us. They may indeed bring out patigha, like you warned us, which could be why you couldn’t sleep for a day or two.

      Another point, although you probably did not mean it, is that I know of people who practice “asubha bhavana” in a way similar to this. They took some passages, perhaps from the Tipitaka, that describe the different decaying stages of a corpse and imagine them in their mind as a way of contemplating the ugliness/foulness of the body. With videos like these, nowadays who even need imagination?

      I remember that Lal has explained that asubha bhavana was not about the foulness of the body, that it was about the unfruitful nature of sensual things. Again, I am sure you did not mean this; I am raising this since I often see asubha bhavana described incorrectly this way.

      Best,
      Lang

    • #41371
      Lal
      Keymaster

      Yes. Lang is right. Buddha’s Asubha Bhavana is NOT about seeing rotting corpses and distasteful videos like the last one on the list.
      – I had not looked at the documents/videos. Just now, I took a brief look at the video listed last. That is NOT asubha Bhavana, but is the version commonly taught by even Theravada teachers!

      Even though LayDhammaFollower (LDM) has requested to remove them if needed, I will leave them at least for a while so that people can see what not to follow.

      The Buddha wanted us to contemplate the unfruitfulness of valuing not only our physical bodies but anything in this world.
      – Asubha DOES NOT mean “disgusting” or “yucky.” That may generate patigha, as LDM pointed out.
      – It means not beneficial, not fruitful, etc., and quite the opposite.

      Please read the following sutta carefully.
      Sivathika Sutta (AN 5.249)

      – In the days of the Buddha, there was no burial or cremation for average people. Dead bodies were discarded in designated “charnel grounds.”
      – But the Buddha wanted us to see not the drawbacks of disgusting scenes in a charnel ground but the drawbacks of disgusting conduct by way of body, speech, and mind.

      – The Buddha also taught us to contemplate the 32 parts of the body to see that they are also made of the same four great elements as plants and rocks.
      – I have mentioned that briefly in #5 of “Anussati and Anupassanā – Being Mindful and Removing Defilements“. I may have addressed it in another post, but I don’t remember.

    • #41375
      LayDhammaFollower
      Participant

      Hello, All dhamma friends.

      Critical part of my comment was about correcting incomplete saññā about body. We only see shining skin of young beautiful people in world dominated by marketing/advertisement.

      I mean beneath muscle, fat and shining skin the biological machinery is hidden away. Which is not exactly pretty sight. Even when we know this is the case, many still have saññā that body is good/beautiful etc.

      But, is it the case really?

      IF contemplating disgusting aspects of body lead to something, wouldn’t surgeons and gynecologist would be foremost Arhants?

      Only purpose of sharing those videos was, To see that unfamiliar side of body.

      Lang said above,

      I remember that Lal has explained that asubha bhavana was not about the foulness of the body, that it was about the unfruitful nature of sensual things. Again, I am sure you did not mean this; I am raising this since I often see asubha bhavana described incorrectly this way.

      That is correct Lang, as Lal has said in next comment and at some posts in website.

      That’s why I used the tag:
      “MUNDANE Ashubha saññā”.

      To lal, Thanks for once again reminder about correct Ashubha bhavana.

    • #41376
      Lal
      Keymaster

      I have been thinking about it some more. Sometimes, it is not possible to give a simple, strict “yes” or “no” answer.

      Trying to cultivate “asubha saññā” by looking at disgusting aspects of dead bodies or internal organs is — in general — not a good idea for those below or even at the Sotapanna stage.

      But, for some, such a drastic approach may help get to the Anagami stage faster (if one has a firm determination) AND is not “agitated/disturbed” by such horrific pictures.
      – But that is not recommended for Sotapannas living “householder lives” because that can end marriages affecting children’s and spouses’ lives. One can lose interest in sex. I am not saying that losing interest in sex is bad. It is just that one needs to be aware of the possibility of that outcome. One will know when one is ready to take such an action. That depends on one’s level of understanding of Buddha Dhamma AND one’s personal background.

    • #41380
      Jorg
      Participant

      I wasn’t able to see any video but I was able see the pdf files listed there which aim to do the same thing, I suppose; to show the uncensored truth of what’s beneath the skin.
      I didn’t look at it with disgust but tried viewing them as different arrangements of suddatthaka. In the end, it’s all the same stuff. I wouldn’t show this to anyone who I think would look at it with a feeling of disgust, though.

      It makes no sense that asubha could be even translated as disgust. That is patigha/dosa. That’s a defilement we need to get rid of, not cultivate.

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    • #41381
      Lal
      Keymaster

      Yes. It depends on the person.

      Jorg, you can watch the video in LDF’s initial post by clicking on the “Watch on YouTube” link in the blank video.
      – We can post the whole list if you or anyone else is interested.

    • #41390
      TripleGemStudent
      Participant

      This is one example of how broken Buddhism is today.

      “They should develop the perception of ugliness to give up greed, love to give up hate, mindfulness of breathing to cut off thinking, and perception of impermanence to uproot the conceit ‘I am’.

      asubhā bhāvetabbā rāgassa pahānāya, mettā bhāvetabbā byāpādassa pahānāya, ānāpānassati bhāvetabbā vitakkupacchedāya, aniccasaññā bhāvetabbā asmimānasamugghātāya. Variant: ānāpānassati → ānāpānasati (bj, pts1ed)

      Yeah . . .

    • #41614
      LayDhammaFollower
      Participant

      This is quotation from AN10.60: Girimananda sutta

      Katamā cānanda, asubhasaññā?

      Idhānanda, bhikkhu imameva kāyaṁ uddhaṁ pādatalā adho kesamatthakā tacapariyantaṁ pūraṁ nānāppakārassa asucino paccavekkhati:

      ‘atthi imasmiṁ kāye kesā lomā nakhā dantā taco, maṁsaṁ nhāru aṭṭhi aṭṭhimiñjaṁ vakkaṁ, hadayaṁ yakanaṁ kilomakaṁ pihakaṁ papphāsaṁ, antaṁ antaguṇaṁ udariyaṁ karīsaṁ, pittaṁ semhaṁ pubbo lohitaṁ sedo medo, assu vasā kheḷo siṅghāṇikā lasikā muttan’ti.

      Iti imasmiṁ kāye asubhānupassī viharati.

      Ayaṁ vuccatānanda, asubhasaññā.

      I assume in this specific sutta, Asubha Saññā is about drawabacks of physical body or its repulsive nature.

      Any comments on this Lal?

    • #41615
      Lal
      Keymaster

      The following link has that verse and the English translation there:
      Girimānanda Sutta (AN 10.60)

      You may be focusing on the English translation of “asuci” as “many kinds of filth.”

      The Pali word “suci” means “pure.” Asuci means “impure.”
      – Depending on the context, one could take asuci to mean “filth” or even “feces.”
      – But here, it means just impure.

      The message here is that our bodies are a collection of parts. Furthermore, such a body is subject to many ailments.
      – It is of no benefit to making such bodies in future lives.
      – As I wrote earlier, we must avoid generating “patigha saññā” or revulsion during meditation. We need to understand the true nature of our physical bodies (yathabhuta ñāna.)

      P.S. The last verse you quoted is “Ayaṁ vuccatānanda, asubhasaññā
      Asubhasaññā is not about revulsion (or “perception of ugliness” in the above English translation.) Asubha means “not beneficial.”

    • #41617
      LayDhammaFollower
      Participant

      Yes, Lal. Thanks for Pali words explanation.

      Will not contemplate it in any wrong way as you have mentioned in earlier comments as well.

      It seems to me Lal that one of the aspects of yathabhuta nana is about seeing how this body is just “vipaka kaya” i.e. just dependently originated.

      Is that good summary?

      (And Yes, I have read your post about bhuta and yathabhuta nana topic.)

    • #41620
      Lal
      Keymaster

      Yes. Our bodies are “vipaka kaya” dependently originated.
      – Furthermore, they are built around a manomaya kaya which arises due to kammic energies created by our (javana) citta!
      (A manomaya kaya (made of suddhatthaka) arises due to kammic energy created by our javana citta. Then the physical body grows according to that blueprint with energy from the food we eat.)

      Thus, our physical bodies are not only dependently originated but originated via our minds.
      – It is somewhat like a magician’s work.
      – That is why kamma vinnana (in javana citta) is like a magician. Something created by a magician is flimsy!

    • #41634
      cubibobi
      Participant

      “The message here is that our bodies are a collection of parts. Furthermore, such a body is subject to many ailments.
      – It is of no benefit to making such bodies in future lives.”

      The body is, among other things, a means through which nature imparts kamma vipaka, some of which can be severe ailments as Lal pointed out.

      See #17 in:

      Body Types in 31 Realms – Importance of Manomaya Kaya

      Lang

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