Mental Body (Gandhabba) – Personal Accounts

February 5, 2017

1. The idea of a mental body controlling the physical body was discussed in the previous post in this section (“Our Mental Body – Gandhabba“), and the details are discussed in many other posts; see, “Gandhabba (Manomaya Kaya)“.

By the way, mental body is not all mental. It has a fine material component at suddhashtaka level; see, “Gandhabba (Manomaya Kaya)- Introduction“.

  • There are many reported instances of this mental body coming out of the physical body, and I have mentioned some of those in other posts. But I would like to have some of that evidence in one place, so that one can get an idea of why it is not an alien concept.
  • But there are many made-up stories too. So, my advice is not to get carried away too much about watching these youtube videos. That is a waste of time. I just wanted to provide some idea that mental body (gandhabba) is real.
  • The evidence come in three general types of accounts, as we discuss below.

2. Many people have at least briefly experienced an “out-of-body experience” (OBE), where the mental body just comes out of the physical body, and one see one’s own physical body from above.

  • In his book, “Travels”, famous author of the Jurassic Park, Michael Crichton (1988, p. 307) mentions his ability to “shift my awareness out of my body and move it around the bedroom”, and he says, “..I didn’t think anything about it… I assumed that anybody could do it..”.
  • A similar account has been given by a woman recently who also thought that “everybody could do it”:
  • Robert Monroe (see #6  below) says mental bodies of most of us come out and wander around even without us realizing it. Sometimes, we are in a dream state (we believe) and then feel a “sudden fall” and wake up. He says this “dream state” is actually the mental body wandering around and we feel the “sudden fall” when the mental body re-enters the physical body.
  • So it is not correct to assume that a gandhabba or the mental body as a “ghost”. In a sense, it is a better representation of us than our physical bodies that are discarded after about 100 years, because it may live for many hundreds of years until the kammic energy for this human bhava is exhausted.

3. There are other — more dramatic — reported cases of OBE and some of them involve “near death experiences” (NDE), where the person was presumed to be dead but revived later on. During that time, the mental body usually “went through a tunnel” to another dimension, but then came back to re-enter the body.

  • Of course there are many books written on OBE and NDE.  “Consciousness Beyond Life”, by Pim van Lommel (2010) gives detailed accounts of case studies of OBE and NDE experienced by people undergoing heart operations, some of whom were declared dead, but came back to life.
  • A third category involves the rebirth accounts from children, who were killed in an accident in the previous life. They can recall that incident from the previous life,  where the mental body came out of a physical body and they watched the accident scene from above. They have provided accurate accounts of that scene. I will discuss one such account at the end of the post.

4. The experiences described in the accounts below need to be evaluated with the following nuances (subtle aspects) in mind. Once the mental body comes out, first it can be an exhilarating experience to be free of the heavy physical body. So, most people describe it as a “liberating experience”.

  • However, without the physical body, one cannot enjoy smells (in many cases), taste of food, and also bodily pleasures. Thus, if one had to live without a physical body for a long-time, one could become frustrated, and one could suffer. This is the status of a gandhabba in between two consecutive human births.
  • Therefore, even though it could be an “liberating experience” to come out from the shackles of the physical body for a short time as in OBE and NDE, it may not be that pleasant to stay in that state state if one has not given up the desire for sensual pleasures, since one cannot “enjoy” sense pleasures without a physical body.

5. The other point to keep in mind is that many experiences (especially those from the Western world) are from people who have other religious backgrounds. In a way, this is good because we can get an unbiased opinion. But, unfortunately they have a different bias due to their own religious beliefs. For example, many people say they visited heaven, which in reality could be a “good locality” of the gandhabbas.

  • It must be kept in mind that gandhabba world is not just “one place”, even though physical locations cannot be assigned. It is much better to say that “good gandhabbas” with higher moral values hang out together (such localities may be referred to as “heaven”), and “bad gandhabbas” segregate away from those. And there can be many varieties in between.
  • It is similar to the case of people with similar gathi hanging together.
  • So, it can be thought of as there being many “gandhabbas worlds” in the nether world or para lōka.
  • Some of the gandhabbas have very fine bodies, but others may have more dense bodies (still much less dense than our bodies). Some may “look” like humans, but some may have started already transforming to animal forms (due to types sankhara they cultivate) and may look half human and half animal. It is a very complex world.

6. Robert Monroe has written several books about the OBE experiences of himself and others. Two of his books are: “Journeys Out of the Body: The Classic Work on Out-of-Body Experience” and “Far Journeys”.

  • Here is how he describes his first OBE experience (there are many other youtube videos on his accounts):

7. The following video is on a case of OBE during brain surgery. Even though the gandhabba or the mental body normally comes out during heart operations and not during brain operations, in this case the heart was stressed because this particular operation involved cooling the heart to extremely low temperatures.

8. Here is an interesting documentary, “Beyond Our Sight – documentary”. Thanks to Mr. Johnny Lim from Singapore for sending me this video.

9. In their book, “Soul Survivor: The Reincarnation of a World War II Fighter Pilot”, by Bruce and Andrea Leininger detail the amazing story of their son’s recount of a past life, mentioned in the above video. There the little boy vividly describes how he died in his previous life. This falls into the third category that I mentioned in #1 above. Here is a ABC News report on the story:

  • Another youtube video link was sent to me by a reader from Sri Lanka who did not want to be identified. This video is in Sinhala, and is the account of a boy. This boy was an adult in the previous life and was killed in an accident. He describes how his mental body came out of the dead body and how he watched from above the scene of the accident.
  • The actual account starts at 3 minutes into the video.

Several years later (during which time he was in the gandhabba world or para lōka), he was born to a family in a different village in Sri Lanka.

  • As is evident from the above two stories, successive births within a given bhava are likely to be– but not always —  in similar geographic regions because of the tendency to match one’s gathi.

10. Some scientists believe that these are mind-made hallucinations. Here is a researcher’s account of his investigations into that possibility. He started the project to prove that it is a hallucination, but ended up convincing himself otherwise.

11. Finally, there are some trying to make money saying they can teach how to do “astral projection”. Astral projection is another name for OBE.

  • This is not something that can be taught. So, don’t waste money.
  • The only way to do it systematically is to cultivate Ariya or anariya jhanas to the fourth jhana. Then one can practice further and learn how to remove the mental body from the physical. The Buddha compared this to removing a sword from its sheath.
  • However, most people who can naturally do it get it as a sansaric habit. They are likely to have cultivated jhanas and developed abhinna powers in recent past lives.
  • The most common situation is when the mental body just pops out of the physical body in highly stressful situations where the stress is affecting the heart. The hadaya vatthu of the gandhabba overlaps the physical heart, and thus when the heart is stressed out, gandhabba may just pop out of the physical body.
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