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Hi y not
“we spend 9 months on a good vacation while the remaining 3 months is tortured in the apaya’s?”
I do not clearly recall reading this. Perhaps possibly, but I am not sure.”– I clearly remembered reading that. I think the question and the answer to it is appropriate to describe what was asked, if my what I’m thinking is correct . . .
– I’m just wondering . . .approximately how many years is an antakkappa? 20 billion?
“I appreciate greatly your value of my contribution, but please now, these are not my teachings. One in the spiritual line of the Buddha discovered the true Teaching, taught it to another in the same line who became an Ariya as well. In my turn, I do my bit to be of help and support to others who may need it, adding my own insight and the fruits of my reflections at times as well, but always ready to be corrected myself.”
– Please continue to contribute/discuss as well. I feel a joy/gratitude to see your voice. I’m starting to understand why virtuous/noble friends is an important factor on the noble path. I got more to discuss/ask. I’ll type it at a later time.
y not
“It is said that the time it took Him to fulfil the paramita (the requirements) spanned the time of 512,000 Buddhas. Taking the number of Buddhas in the last 91 mahakappa, 8, with the estimated duration of a mahakappa ( 80 billion years) as an average, we get : 91/8 x 512,000 x 80×10^9 . Close to 5×10^17 years. Insignificant compared to the all the infinite time before.”
*Tries to calculate the numbers with his hand. . . .* Too big of a number for me . . . Don’t know how or can calculate for me . . . :D
” It is actually impossible, seeing that, until the attainments, most births are in the apaya.”
I’m just wondering when you say most births. Does that exclude the destruction/remain in state of the Solar system and only applies for the 10 billion year reformation of Earth?
I thought we did spend most births/time in the apaya’s, but recently someone brought up a discussion about the destruction/reforming process of the Earth/Star system in the Waharaka Thero’s English discourse sub and how we actually spend more time in the Brahma realms? Lal said something along the lines as an example that we spend 9 months on a good vacation while the remaining 3 months is tortured in the apaya’s? I can no longer find the posts in that sub. Are the posts deleted or moved?
Maybe my knowing/understanding is totally off, but after the above discussion, it seems to me in simple terms that we spend about 30 billion years in the Deva/Brahma realms, and then after the Earth is reformed, the remaining 10 billion years, we come down to the lower realms? From there we start to spend more time in the apaya’s for the 10 billion years. To me, based on this thinking, we seem to actually spend more time in the Brahma realms?
Btw, thank you for your contribution and teachings y not.
Hi Lal,
There’s also a Jataka story of the Bodhisattva being in hell.”
I don’t think that is right.
– The lowest realm a Bodhisatta can be reborn is the animal realm. Even there, The animal cannot be smaller than a certain size.I made a mistake in using the word “Bodhisatta”. The story uses “one of Buddha’s former lives when he was in hell” If this story is true, I think the chances of such a thing happening is even more rare than the two animal stories . . .
The alternative way you mentioned to look at the question that I asked was beneficial. Thank you.
Hi Lal,
“There is nothing an animal, for example, can do until that life ends (by the life I mean that bhava, which can last thousands of years at a time).”
I remembered there’s two stories that I have come across where a Frog after it got killed, was birthed into the Deva realms and another story of some bats were able birth into the Deva realms due to some monks chanting in the cave. Can we say that in those two stories, the animals were at the end of their Bhava? You said that “there’s nothing an animal can do until that life ends”. Would it be appropriate to say that, having come across the Buddha Dhamma and done meritorious deeds in their previous Jati’s/Bhava’s. As well being in the right place at the right time, they had the opportunity to be birth in the Deva realms, (sooner?) because of that? Or is it, because their Bhava was coming to an end anyways, and their next Bhava was in the Deva realms, regardless being in the right place at the right time?
There’s also a Jataka story of the Bodhisattva being in hell. To make a long story short, he did/show something compassionate, and the other hell being that was next to him, did something similar and they found themselves born in the human realm after that. I don’t know what to think about this story, but if such a thing happened, it would be super rare. I can’t even begin to imagine the odds of that happening for almost any living being else besides the Bodhisattva. . .
I’m just wondering, besides your post on “the chance of being born a human or a Buddha appearing in our world” Is there any stories or teachings on like . . . umm . . . I’m not sure, but “how hard” or how much meritorious deeds we had to do just to get a human birth? If there is, I would like to use it as kind of motivation for myself and others to walk/continue to walk on the path. Thanks
Metta,
Lal says: “You seem the have realized that we are chasing a mirage”
– I would say that’s a nice way of saying things :) It seems like I’m also walking to a death trap or chasing a trap of “perceived pleasures” that is a (mirage) which only leads me to more suffering with no end until realize that I’m walking into a trap and will have to suffer tremendously. – So beautiful to realize such an realization :)
11:15 – 13:33 of the video
Helped me to be able to explain to myself and possibly to others how the “God” or “Creator” concept can be explained in a different way. I remember reading something similar from somewhere, maybe it was on this website. The teaching from the video was a helpful reminder and teaching.
Thank you for the feedback and teaching Lal. Theruwan Saranayi.
Thank you Lal,
After I wrote what I did, I realized it might not be sufficient or most appropriate. It seems like I was missing #1 in my summary. Thanks again, your post was clear and helpful.
Thank you y not. Much merits to you as well. May these merits help us all attain the supreme bliss of Nibbana.
Group B plans, carry’s out, and some takes delight/pleasure in these papa kamma’s. Some intents to kill, while others only care about maximum profits, willing to commit any papa and akusala kamma’s. The papa and akusala kamma’s being committed is mostly random, sometimes targeted. Like a bomb going off and hurting people.
Saddest part is Group A is so blind/deluded/ignorant, that they unconsciously willing to let Group B, plan/carry out these papa kamma’s in front of their faces without even knowing it’s happening. For some, even if people are able to show/provide evidence to them. Majority in group A would think it’s not possible/the evidence is false/doesn’t care. As well, they are the very same people that allows/put the people in Group B in power. Group B controls the whole world in every aspects. Governments/Health industry/Finance/World Organizations/media, etc . . .
Why person C hesitates to tell/show the people in group A is because some of the characteristics of the people in Group A being described as above. As well if people in Group A know’s what people in group B is planning/carrying out, it could create even more hate/anger/fear. Person C could argue, the phase “ignorance is bliss” could be applied for this case . . .
Lal says “Unless this is a real issue, it is not even worth to contemplate too much on “theoretical” cases like this one.”
Unfortunately Person C sees/knows/thinks this is a real case with the same conviction like he has for the triple gem. In fact, he/she believes that this real case has been happening for thousands of years, in the present, and will continue to do so in the future. One can let their imagination run wild, whatever papa kamma one can think off. Person C can almost guarantee it’s being committed and might be even worse than what one can imagine.
Person C is in group A, fortunately he/she has the triple gem. Let’s say, person C thinks if he/she didn’t know the triple gem. Dying naturally asap would be the best choice than what some of the people in Group A will have to go through. Imagine the people in group A are being poisoned slowly (getting sicker). Food and medicine that’s suppose to help people, only makes/keeps them sick. While going through life, being/continue to be exploited at every chance. Continuous being lied to from the very people that’s SUPPOSE TO PROTECT AND SERVER THEM. All one has worked for is being stolen from all because of manipulation, lies, deceptions and greed. For some, not only they have to deal with physical pain/illness, but also the mental torture of how they are going to pay their bills, when they can eat their next meal, how they and their family can survive or if they have shelter. The saddest thing is that the people in Group A doesn’t even know/see/care this is happening. Even if one knows/sees without wisdom, they are still not able to do anything about it. One is so blindly attached to this world, they are almost forced to commit akusala or papa kamma deeds just to survive or have a more “comfortable” life. Tell me, if one knows/sees/convinced about all this, without the triple gem. How does one move forward in this kind of world or situation?
One might say, well Person C better try to tell/show Group A !! But it’s not that simple, Person C also sees/knows/understands that even if he/she can stop all this. What’s to guarantee that person C can stop it a second time and it’s not going to happen again? Person C will share why he/she is totally helpless in these worldly affairs :) I’ll continue on later. May you all attain the supreme bliss of Nibbana.
I would like to sincerely thank you all involved with translating, editing and uploading of these desana’s of Waharaka Thero’s. These video’s has brought me tremendous benefit and as well everyone’s work of sharing the Dhamma here on this website. I truly appreciate it. Thank you and much merits to you all. Saddhu saddhu saddhu
Thank you LaL and AxelSnaxel !! Unfortunately the discord link no longer works :( or I can’t get it to work anyways . .
