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This sutta is wrongly translated because it’s make no sense + does not explain the proper practice here.
I will make this thread now with various suttas that worth sharing but keep in mind about the wrong translations and wrong terms used in english.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.122.than.html
This is very good sutta which explains that one can attain Arahantship with Panna
The moment you started thinking bad about person you stared to creating bad kamma already. In Satipatthana person already failed to catch up that on Kāyānupassanā stage so last resort failed. I think even if you think bad about things that does not exists you will develop bad kamma by developing bad gathi and habits related to being bad. So it does not even matter if that person is dead, alive or even exists as one will then act up like that to everybody/everything at the end of the day. Dead body can not trigger anything as what triggers that PS cycle is the ignorance that people have in his mind and dead person or whatever is just point that person shoots up his ignorance.
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First it’s crazy what kind of attitude and approach people have here sometimes. It’s like ants trying to figure it out something beyond their capability. Most people are not able to understand simple math but go into discussion based on their own limited view about world beginning, creation – it’s waste of time. Lal is clearly explaining what we can understand and make logical sense in relation to Dhamma, if you can not understand it do not try to substitute with your own ideas about it. Those matter are related closely to getting rid of hate, greed and lust – without that one will never understand those things because one does not have contrast or layout (Nibbana) to relate to it. What you have is only bunch of thoughts of “what I think” without any substance on ground. Somebody need put some people in check as it will bring endless conversation without any resolve. :D
First this speculation is only speculation is obvious acinteyya but let’s try to make logical sense out of it with some simplicity.
Life have no beginning but have an end (Nibbana), Nibbana have beginning but have no end. This make perfect sense in terms of how mechanics and nature works.
Laws of nature, mechanics of it and how life is created and destroyed does not need to be created by the first cause. It can be seen in human development the deeper insight into mechanics and outcomes and more technological advanced we became. There is whole spectrum of invisible world which we can not see so one having materialist world view and in general world view will have hard time figure it out thinking that all it is. Even pure materialist will see it true that there are many invisible factors that come into play even in development of matter, human scientific/material progress etc. which can be explained probably never be.
Stop thinking that you are that smart that you can figure it out. We are not more then ants or even less that just are pushed by hate, greed and lust. We will never know it but we can only make logical sense to Dhamma teachings and how Buddha explained it. It’s to connect some dots not to speculate, so stop speculating as it will make no sense and you will pile up the wrong views like fat on wrong diet.
If you want you can join our group which is related to pure dhamma but also to other pure dhammic teachers https://discord.gg/s6PMz7w you will find some people from your country too. :)
This is another new age hoax to sell out people hope for the future. Same as fad diets gurus and other people who make up things with a lot of buzz words – this is just another sect that keeps leeching of people suffering. :(
There is no real progress outside Dhamma – keep that in mind
Even going to the mundane and common sense – what is better learning alone things you do not understand or having someone who understand the topic? If I going to give you book on physics or math even for beginner you would have much more problems and trouble then person who have someone who is more advanced and have better understanding (better and PROPER) so you have a lot of clarity moments which it not necessary to be like that when doing things alone without any ideas what those things are about of having assumptions about them of how they are like :)
This does not need any Tipitaka reference. Not everything needs Tipitaka reference if one would be limited like christians or muslims to scriptures it means one is limited to those scriptures and does not develop any wisdom but just blind faith. Tipitaka is Dhamma which makes people develop wisdom so they can apply it to all sorts of things and come up with the clarity and see things the way they are :)
About the question you asked I will show you examples that can gives you a hint. Let say there is musician who can read the music (notes) but without knowing how to play and instrument and hearing one does not really experience the music one reads. Same with people on the Path, one needs to listen to the Dhamma to truly understand it as musicians needs to learn/listen to music to really understand the notes. :)
@Tobias G
The first case of talking to plants or rice is that everything is affected by energy that mind generates. If you generate bad intention or killing intention it can affect living organism to the extent of your javana power, same with metta. People with strong metta can actually trigger bliss factor in others people mind.
@Lal I didn’t mean Axel here really. Back in the days when I was researching supernatural stuff (and the things I experienced) most people just created content based on their imagination not experience to lure people by means of fantasy and “secrecy” but it’s not different then watching horror movie or any other things that excites mind, for those people it does not matter if it’s real or no. :)
I’m always vary and always trying to be rational when it comes to those materials as there is many new age made up stuff that people make to get attention of others for views and monetization to leech off people compulsive day-dreaming and to entertainment by straight lying about what really happens after death etc. but this I think is good one (but still can be made up for the sake of catch up audience)
I was thinking exactly the same way Lal but just wanted to mention it as people who are new can find it contradicting :)
Hello Dhamma brothers :)
I want to ask about #10 verse as the first Lal explains that one can attain Anagami thru Ariya Metta pracitce but once we go lower to the mentioned #10 verse Lal translates it as Sakadagami. Is this mistake or there is something more to this?
Thank you
