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when I mentioned “I think it’s not really correct as of the example of that person who was Sotapanna but didn’t believe it even if Buddha said so” – I mean that one of your posts about Sotapanna had this story from the suttas, it’s from a different one. :)
“Mahānāma was a wealthy person who was related to Prince Siddhartha’s family. The Buddha told him that he had attained the Sōtapanna stage. However, when he was engaging in his business activities, he often got frustrated and angry with his servants and yelled at them. After such an episode of outburst, he would think, “if I am still able to become angry like this, I must not have attained the Sōtapanna stage yet.” So, he would go to see the Buddha, explained what happened, and ask whether the Buddha was sure about the declaration. He still had doubts about his attainment of the Sōtapanna stage until the Buddha confirmed it for the third time; see, “Paṭhama Mahānāma Sutta (SN 55.21)“”
Saying that for example that every Sotapanna will know the way to Nibbana seems not consistent also
“What sort of person is one who may be guided (neyya)?
The person for whom penetration of the Dhamma comes gradually by means of recitation, questioning, proper attention, and by serving, cultivating and waiting upon kalyānamittas is called “one who may be guided.”so if person falls into category it seems one will not able to attain Nibbana on it’s own even after being Sotapanna even above.
The only method to attain jhanas and insight I see is chanting, while it’s not bad and I personally “feel” the practice, it would be nice if we can get more practical posts about how to practice properly or have explanations on suttas how exactly to practice so and so section compared to translations, I’m working on it on the side too. Cūḷahatthipadopamasutta is good that shows step by step Path but as most suttas do not explain meditations in details which is I think most problematic thing in Dhamma, personally.
It’s from
REEXAMINING JHĀNA:
Towards a Critical Reconstruction of Early
Buddhist SoteriologyThis may be a really serious problem in terms of meditative practices as most modern lineages seem do not to have a “legit” meditation connected to what really Buddha taught
Lang, yes the I’m speaking about early buddhist texts (EBTs)
Also, another interesting sutta that explains Path step by step Cūḷahatthipadopamasutta
What I just want to mention is that we should put most emphasis on meditation and jhanas after understanding Dhamma, just understanding may be not enough in most cases if we want finish the Path
There may be more to it, the more I study “early Buddhism” the more questions appear in terms of missing pieces we may have in pure dhamma for example author argues that:
So probably I will make another topic soon when we can discuss those things
Certain people are happy when others suffer from indirect mental suffering and bullying they cause or it’s part of stealing computer data (like passwords u have for a bank account or the site may want you to write down some personal information). You explained in one article what potentially happens to people who enjoy causing suffering so hope everybody can learn from that :)
It’s not even that, I’m just curious what they are speaking of and if there is any merit in it that can be useful for people on the Path
I would add that Buddha does not really deal with those things. There is Sutta that Buddha explains that he does say what is the cause of suffering and how to end it, the rest is rather less important – people looking for those answers are not really looking to practice Dhamma but fulfill their intellectual curiosity – which is nothing wrong, but there is no point of “buying up” people into Dhamma thru proving certain points while Dhamma can be explained on examples that we are self-aware and most people are (mind, senses, ignorance, etc and whole Paticca Samupadda process and basic Anicca stuff should be enough even for less intelligent people)
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I would not suggest doing those methods above overall – even I suggest some anariya jhanas for people but if you already found real Dhamma there is no point of regressing into wrong views and methods for the sake of experience that it may happen anyway on the Path.
Most people who speak about jhanas do not experience jhanas but some lower states of concentration, are you sure you experienced arupa jhanas?
This person is probably a bot, this link may or is harmful – do not click it. You may delete this Lal. As site and forum getting more popular you will get more of those random bots spamming “bit.ly” links to their marketing stuff of hoax sites
There are many interesting topics in Dhamma for sure, we can ask endless questions about those things especially on the cosmic matter and things beyond scope of our mind and technology. One needs to keep that in check and by “that” I mean that mind-pattern that looking for some cosmic argument to practice Dhamma. It’s like a first-grader trying to challenge a mathematician about his own ignorance and limited information glued into what he “thinks and believes to be such and such” – the life experience will verify everything and a person will grow for certain things giving up on this pattern.
What I mean here you may be looking for validation in the wrong room that will cause more mess in understanding. Everything starts always from the base or root understanding, first, you learn numbers, the meaning of the numbers, and basic calculation to move further but if you want to go into “cosmic” matters “on the go” you will be at a disadvantage. People need to understand that – they will not able to grasp it all. You can’t have it all, but what is essential in Dhamma is very graspable for anyone willing and anyone with goods roots for it.
