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Yes, but this is not Sotapanna stage. Many people take many experiences even beyond Pure Dhamma as Sotapanna stage even people who practice hinduism or other stuff often treat some experiences as such. If you go further you will have a more and clearer breakthrough into Sotapanna for sure. The first reaction is a very good sign but you can not stop from that just keep going with it till CLEAR understanding will be developed which is kind of beyond six senses but still comprehended by the mind.
You can not take symptoms of healing for a feeling of being healthy. It should be viewed like that.
Some people just make it hardest as possible for themselves rather than try to make it most simple to realize Nibbana at least to some extent.
Most people can not approach Dhamma right way. Everything is explained here already. There is no point to challenging Buddha to our own views which we read about from various sources but to try to understand and find which of them make the most sense for us. The one which makes sense should open our perception, trigger something wholesome and transformation of gathi.
The Pathway which most people choose on this forum (especially sybe which it happens repeatedly) is to compare your own ignorance with Buddha Dhamma. It will just not work, you can not put a square into a circle and vice versa. Even monkey have enough brain to not do that and some of the birds but humans seem still to struggle with that.
Learn Dhamma the way which is explained. If you do not understand what is explained – ask the question on that topic “I do not understand this and that”, and “my own understanding compared to this is like that so help me to fix it”
To analyze one people ignorance you just need two ingredients:
1) The question of such a person
2) His own explanation from the current (non)understandingand from that, you can benefit. Other things without those two frames will results in just endless and useless conversation so it’s compassion best interests to point out what is wrong and what is right, especially if one knows about it. If you can’t agree with that or you do not like it and think that compassion is letting you play around as you like then you need to GROW UP as you either a child or child in grow man body who didn’t develop well and still have ideas that can hide behind “lack of compassion” card while being unresponsible and let go of ignorance without consequences.
Whatever it is internet or real-life consequences in relation to Ariya Puggala are still can affect your mind and future rebirth. Be responsible and act as one who wants to learn or attain magga phala because what it ins your heart, in reality, can be seen behind the letters.
“Bad en good both conditionally arise in reaction to sense-inputs.”
No. This is a bad oversimplification and those things are rooted in micca ditthi.
The condition for good is a cessation of bad. We are not talking about how bad people can act good but a cessation of bad qualities give rise to good reactions.
“In a strict sense, because it both conditionally arises, it is not really authentic behavior. ”
That’s dry nonsense which is conditioned when you are disconnected from reality. Good things are not conditioned on supermundane Path, they are good because lack of conditions to do anything bad.
I wanted to answer all those things you spoke but they are all from the same standpoint and ignorance. You are not trying to understand Dhamma but try to put your understanding first challenging Dhamma as you knew better what is what which is one step before slandering Dhamma.
For me, you are approaching it from the wrong perspective. It’s not image on the wall to make an idea about it like in some gallery or meeting. It’s wisdom that needs to be actualized so your mind experience leaps over or changes over time.
People can take any ideas and try to make sensual pleasure or satisfaction stories inside their mind but this is a no different than sexual compulsion.
Making up stories about Anicca can also suggest inner insecurity or fear to approach it or realize the essence so you need to be aware of that.
It’s better to not make it more complicated or confused but its the best to try to make it the most approachable and simple to understand. Bringing anything other than straight teachings can actually harm Dhamma teachings.
I’m not generalizing as most of my life I practiced Mahāyāna teachings. They teach you how to eat and have sex to have insight into rigpa. Almost all Mahāyāna teachings especially dzogchen are nonsense and they are no different from hindu teachings at all but they use different names for the same things.
It’s better to not compare and to not bring any outside schools here and trying to fit them here in terms of anything right as they are not right at all in most cases.
“Some schools, like dzogchen, a tibetan buddhist school, teach to change nothing in the mind. Why invest? States and phenomena arising are all impermanent and cannot be maintained.”
You are a missing point that those people indulge in sexuality, alcoholic drinks and does not even understand Dhamma. Dzgochen teaching makes no sense so the tibetan buddhist which worships hindu gods. You just seeing one small part of them which have no relation to Buddha Dhamma but it only seems like that.
There is no other way to attain Nibbana or getting of anger, depression or any hindrances than those 2 things.
1) Anicca nature for permanent results
2) Satipatthana and Anapana to clearly contemplate point 1.Why we get angry? Because thru anger we want to get what we want because we think it will make as happy if a person will be that way or situation of life we want to be will be like that we want. Those ideas are ridiculous if you really close to it. Thanks to Buddha Dhamma, Lal and other people that I can be free to the very big extent from a self-created drama by ignorance.
Being angry at someone is that you believe in ICCA in a personal relationship. Nobody will make you happy EVER and nothing will make you happy ever, paradoxically understanding this will make you into something beyond happiness and unhappiness. Is the same pattern, the same way, and one direction but manifestation of ignorance seems endless.
Remember to go gradually, do not worry that you are getting angry if you do not feel that you leap over into Sotapanna, you need to know how to root out every fetter and this is only known to Ariyas on at least Sotapanna level.
For the Path of Ariya is to abide by Niveema/Niramisa Sukha, not jhana. Jhana is the results of one practice of getting rid of tanha (or assavas). So jhana is glued to the Path. When I do anapanasati and satipatthana I do not even think of jhana, it comes like a shadow after getting rid of a substantial part of hindrances from one’s mind. So when you focus on the happy feeling of lightness it will develop into jhana I guess but I do not yet reach Ariya jhana as I guess you will need to be Anagami but I got often spontaneous feelings of getting close to jhana. I have been in concentration-types jhanas and they feel almost the same but this got more lightness and it’s more “fluffy” then anariya jhanas which are good but this is like different grade, can’t compare. Like you have regular cheese which is pretty good but once you have high-grade cheese is like day and night. So I would say this is the same, but not really the same once you have some experience on each side.
So jhana is not Path to Nibbana but glued to Path as you progress. Of course, you can make it up from anariya jhana too but that depends on a person. Once you attain Sotapanna you will easily get inner feelings what is the right method and what is wrong because this is how you saw Nibbana and experience so you can not be cheated again on what and how to do things.
You seem to make up confused ideas on the basis what you learned and read here (and before). For your own sake and sanity do not follow this process of the mind because it will leave you depressed and in a very negative state of mind/feeling.
Just follow the instructions in a day and then when your mind will come back to sanity and lightness it will be easier to understand what is explained on this site.
You will not think your way out of sansara without doing proper work with your mind, directly.
There is just something very negative/painful coming out of you when I read you, sorry. :(
This is how I train Anapanasati and Satipatthana. When I figure it out how to do it – it was a life changer. You won’t believe even RESULTS of such simple practice. I just can believe that modern Buddhist waste time for breath meditation, focusing or anything like that – it’s waste of time and just make you tired, frustrated and almost without results long term.
When I practice Anapanasati with Satipatthana I feel almost instantly bliss in the chest and in the body once my mind approach and do this practice but I know it must to be done right and figure it out. Pure Dhamma have a lot of materials but there need to be exact methods for people to follow and because of my experience, it’s easy for me to make out methods out of that information. Here is how it goes:
First, you need to see how your mind attention moves from one thought to another. Start to get into a habit of observing mind (this is just pre-practice).
Once you can see how your mind attention moves from one thought to another you apply a filter as you would investigate a person for weapon or ticket. If thought will stick to your mind or your mind attention move to exact thought which will find attractive then you investigate in context is it’s a good thought (moral), bad (immoral) or neutral. Once you realize nature of such thought your mind and body will transform instantly or with some time at beginning as your mind will realize you are not one to play with so it will discard bad thoughts on the automatic basis. Once you realize what nature of thought it is then you watch your reaction towards those thoughts in the same way. Whatever it’s good, bad or neutral reaction towards that. Once you get into the flow with it you will feel naturally blissful, happy or at first like cleansed from the inside and light like a feather which it will develop to a very happy state of mind which will permeate the body and you will end up in the first jhana. Once you will be just close to the jhana you contemplate meanings of Anicca nature and it will get you into deeper and permanent states.
I understand all those questions that you want to know and clarify everything but clarification cannot be substituted to the practice. Once you have a clear view on that then you need to go that clear way once explained. If you only keep pursuing concepts which you do not understand and clarify them constantly then what is the point of knowing to walk you need to use legs? Next step is to use them to walk and what you clarified you need to put into practice.
I personally think audio contains javana power and reading contains it too but to a lesser degree. (When you read you record it or “hear it” with your mind so soundwave related to javana power are revibrating in your mind anyway)
I have some theories about it but recording actually saves the wave-pattern of citta which is secured in sound. I think we could scientifically reconstruct part of this citta just to the sound but the problem is just a medium and needed Ariya insight and explanations which we are not aware of and not understand yet which I think may or may not be reproduced scientifically. If we could actually understand the mechanism behind it we could develop a technical process to trigger those things by the outside meaning but those are just theories, keep that in mind.
The thing is when Ariya is recorded there is javana citta in forms of waveforms and right meanings and understanding which opens up a mind of a person who hears and have conditions to revibrate with it so to speak.
I had the same but later on, it’s switched to listening.
Also, I want to tell you to contemplate on something as “inner instinct” and try to find within yourself. Start by thinking about it. I do not know if related to Gandhabba or anything else, or if Buddha spoke about it but if you feel disconnected from the “path” of the worldly way is good to seek help within yourself. There is something which you can get in contact with so to speak on the base of mental level. It’s like an inner guide which can enhance your wisdom. Do not force yourself to find it, it will come as you will just give it a sign.
I can not really explain it rationally or even in Buddha Dhamma terms but there is something like that which you can reach with your meditation or contemplation even if you are just novice you can work your way for it and ask it for guidance.
Try to find that inner guide and inner instinct just by digesting the idea, if you know there is something like that your mind will find it. It’s interesting stuff but I do not know if it’s Gandabbha or Deva or part of your mind I can only experience results and that there is such thing.
If you put the bag full of air it will pop because of conditions and qualities appearing in this process. The same body has physical limitations and the pain will be felt but suffering on the basis of this pain will be nonexistent for Arahant as you would not develop anything unwholesome on the basis of any experience so there will be no suffering.
If what you said would be true there will be not possible to attain Nibbana. The leftover suffering after attainment of Nibbana is only physical so feeling the pain and not create suffering on the basis of that pain are two different things.
For example, if somebody hit you, you do not like the pain can be gone but you can still think and suffer thru many days or even months. The is no doubt that the leftover suffering is there and will be there and can be minimized by lifestyle choices (not always) but I would say this pain is something else than a feeling of suffering which is eradicated at that point and not appearing.
