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      firewns
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      In the post on ‘Kāma Guna, Kāma, Kāma Rāga, Kāmaccanda’, under #7, An Anāgami has removed kāma rāga, but still has kāma, i.e., likes them somewhat., does this mean that an Anagami still has liking for sense pleasures, even though they are not strong enough to lead to a bhava in kama loka?

      Is this kama linked to the higher five samyojanas in any way?

      One more question: In the days of the Buddha, did people listening to His discourses go from anariya to Anagami or Arahant right away, bypassing the Sotapanna stage? I may have read something about this before elsewhere.

      Thank you very much in advance for your answers to my questions.

    • #16639
      Lal
      Keymaster

      Yes. There is a difference between kama and kama raga. There may be a trace of kama left in an Anagami, but that is not enough to lead to a birth in kama loka.

      That trace of kama is likely to be associated with rupa raga (and avijja) which are two samyojanas removed at the Arahant stage.

      You asked: ” In the days of the Buddha, did people listening to His discourses go from anariya to Anagami or Arahant right away, bypassing the Sotapanna stage?”
      Yes. There are many accounts in the Tipitaka, of people attaining any of the four stages of magga phala while listening to a desana or even a single verse.
      – But that always happens in the sequence: Sotapanna, Sakadagami, Anagami, Arahant. It is just that even all four can take place within a short time, ending in the Arahant stage. So, it is not really bypassing any intermediate stage.

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