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I have seen many people not grasping what is meant by disattachment so I will try to make it clear as I understand as it’s very important.
Even many bhikkus in India teach that in order to be free from sexual cravings, focus on the filth of the body and see how disgusting that is. It includes everything , the bones, blood ,rotting nature ,etc.
That is completely wrong.
If the mind generates aversion towards anything thinking that it’s disattachment, it’s not so. It’s still attachment but now through Aversion (earlier it was through Desire). If something creates a disgusting feeling in the mind, it’s a flawed concept, nothing is disgusting and nothing is beautiful. Everything is Neutral.
We must realise that this feeling is being generated in our minds. There are people who desire to have sex with dead bodies, some eat rotten bodies. Why don’t they experience any filth or disgust? It’s all in the mind.
Instead focus on the burning nature of the mind whenever it experiences desire, aversion and delusion.
That happens because this mind which is a process experiences itself as a Self.
So no need to generate any aversion towards anything thinking that it’s disattachment.
Disattachment is realising that there is no value in any Rupa,Vedana,Sanna,Sankhara and Vinnana. Realise their neutral nature and also how we experience a Self
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Gandhabba comes from Gandha + Abba, which means to absorb odour. The gandhabba becomes a little dense after absorbing odour but still not visible to human eye.
A Brahmas body doesn’t do that and also that is a completely different mind and body which doesn’t crave sensuality. A human Gandhabba craves for sensuality but cannot experience it in that state so has to wait for a physical body
It all depends on the minds wisdom level, it’s possible that a sotappana can become a pornstar and have sex with multiple partners, but his mind would know for sure that this is not happiness rather an illusion. It’s a trap. That’s why his mindset won’t go so low that he would be born a preta or an animal. Many pornstars with time especially males, get so into that act that they even do such scenes that are so disgusting, for example drinking saliva of multiple women mixed together !This is the least one. I know about many things that I can’t even mention here. Isn’t that a Preta Gati?
If that person would have been a normal guy with a normal life , his mind may have not went to this level.
It’s all about understanding the truth.
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What I understand Morality and Immorality is that if any thought,speech or action creates Suffering, it’s immoral.
Any action that reduces the suffering without increasing it anywhere else , is moral.
For example If someone commits rape , that person would be feeling pleasure but would be imparting suffering on the other person. Immoral act with lobha
If someone gives something to eat to a poor hungry beggar, it would increase Metta in the givers mind and also reduce hunger/suffering in the other person’s body and mind. Moral act with Alobha
Having multiple partners has a higher tendency of increasing Kama raga in a Puthujana’s mind. That person would be convinced that this is ultimate happiness and must be pursued. That’s for sure.
Let’s take one simple example.
Our Ancestors didn’t have any internet, their lives were very normal and calming as compared to our lives. No pornography, no social media addiction, no drugs , no unnecessary disputes because no strong hate as no strong kama raga, generally.
But an average modern day teenager suffers from such addictions. Why? Because an Ignorant mind is trapped when presented with limitless options for sensuality. But this doesn’t mean that everyone is trapped in this.
Strong minded and wise people use this technology for their benefit and for others benefit.
But the tendency has increased enormously to suffer because of such things.
When the North Korean Soldiers were deployed in Russia few months back, they all got addicted to pornography! They had never seen such a thing before but their ignorant minds instantly got attached to this thing. Weren’t they okay before? No one’s okay, a puthujana would be trapped in this some day when the Asava And Anusuya get triggered.
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I’ve been experiencing something profound lately. When I focus deeply on the Dhamma, I feel an overwhelming sense of calmness and relaxation. Everything around me seems to brighten up.
- As I delve deeper, I’ve started to see myself as a process that cognizes, rather than a fixed ‘me’ or ‘I.’ It’s a strange yet calming feeling.
- However, when I focus too much on the ‘me’ part, I experience fear – it’s as if the self doesn’t want to let go! But when I return to a more normal understanding, the fear subsides.
- My experience isn’t as intense as the jhana feelings people often describe, but it’s related. I feel calm, serene, and connected to the Dhamma.
- Physically, I’ve noticed some interesting sensations – the room seems brighter, I get goosebumps for no reason, and I’ve even felt a slight cold sensation that disappears quickly.
Also, I’ve cried a little when understanding the Dhamma deeply. It’s a feeling that comes and goes.
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I know that a sotappana has an understanding of the dhamma that’s why he won’t be born in an apaya as no extreme desire in the mind. I have mentioned that the sensual desires if pursued blindly would lead one to be trapped in believing it to be a source of happiness.
Also the civil services exam part, many people who are even wealthy and enjoy comforts take part in such exams just for pride and honour, that too comes under the same thing I mentioned earlier. I know strong kama raga is dangerous in any form and I was specifically asking for the sexual pleasure part and how society influences it. And I hope that the exam part was not a taunt on me from your side after our disagreement on this topic on whatsapp, as you know that I am also appearing for those exams not to enjoy some nonsense pride but because I don’t have anything except for education as I too belong to the dalit category and you know that very well.
With Metta
It was a misunderstanding between me and jittananto from my side , everything is sorted now 🙏🏻
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I know that a sotappana has an understanding of the dhamma that’s why he won’t be born in an apaya as no extreme desire in the mind. I have mentioned that the sensual desires if pursued blindly would lead one to be trapped in believing it to be a source of happiness.
Also the civil services exam part, many people who are even wealthy and enjoy comforts take part in such exams just for pride and honour, that too comes under the same thing I mentioned earlier. I know strong kama raga is dangerous in any form and I was specifically asking for the sexual pleasure part and how society influences it. And I hope that the exam part was not a taunt on me from your side after our disagreement on this topic on whatsapp, as you know that I am also appearing for those exams not to enjoy some nonsense pride but because I don’t have anything except for education as I too belong to the dalit category and you know that very well.
With Metta
Understandable.
But isn’t it true that engaging in sex with multiple partners has a higher chance of increasing Sexual desire to the level of apayas than with a single spouse if we keep out the societal worries of that act? In Western society it’s okay to engage in sex before marriage and people have a high body count, the society approves of this , but aren’t they very lonely and tired, I have read about many peoples stories
Here in India, Having Sex outside marriage has been legalised. So adultery is okay now, but won’t it create a high risk for the people to go in the apayas as they would be more inclined to experience variety of bodies for sexual pleasure.
Same for pornstars, the western society is okay with it, but won’t they suffer immensely, I know of many pornstars who died by suicide.
What I want to say is that apart from societal norms, engaging in more of any sensual pleasure would inevitably increase the chance to be trapped further in the Vicious pleasure cycle. Would a sotappana commit adultery if the society is okay with it?
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Why is it a society thing? What is the reason that the same act would create immoral kamma if in a different society?
Dear Cat, Sila is something related to Intention. Cooking for oneself doesn’t involve any immoral intention, then why is it breaking a sila?
We live in a realm where we have to use effort in order to leave peacefully and survive, our lives are not self sustaining, our bodies require food and exercise.
If you want to truly achieve complete morality, spend the time learning Buddha Dhamma and Attaining Parinibbana, untill then no matter what we would be subjecting suffering onto other beings even though our intentions are pure, for example boiling water to kill bacteria, taking medicines, etc.
You don’t have to overcomplicate such things, live a decent life, it’s all about moral and immoral intentions.
Note that if you generate aversion or disgust towards anything, you are moving away from Nibbana!
Many Bhikkus preach to feel disgust towards this body in order to be free from Kama Raga. That is a complete nonsense! They are unknowingly generating aversion (Dosa) which would not lead you anywhere.
One must Realise that All These Pleasures are just a mirage and even after experiencing tons of different sensual pleasures, we are still unsatisfied!
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This Sansara is like Hell. Such situations arise due to previous kamma and trap the individual.
If a minor girl is raped and gets pregnant, that was also a part of that process. Now if she kills the baby then again a new kamma is generated. It’s very unfortunate but technically she is trapped now. If she doesn’t abort then she will die but if does then it may generate a kamma of killing a human. In such situations it should be the choice of that person because there is no absolute answer to this. So if abortion takes place then that girl is now safe from death but not from Sansara, so she must practice the dhamma and do meritorious activities so to be free from these tortures and confusions once and for all. If that’s not happening then it doesn’t really matter in the long term if you live or not. But the ignorant mind’s tendency is to stay alive no matter what( except in extraordinary situations). So to be Societally Correct, that girl has the right to abort the baby , but in the Absolute Truth, that doesn’t change anything but would make the things worse depending on her mind’s condition, intention etc.
I do also feel that we need to define what exactly Sancetana or bad intention would be. I heard of a story about Ven. Sariputta where he meets a man crying and feeling sad, he asked him why are you sad?
That man says that he will be going to be born in hell because he is the Executioner of The king on whose command he has to kill the thieves and the criminals but he is forced to do this job as he was once a thief and the king caught him and gave him 2 options, to either be killed or work under him for this job. Fearing death he took this option. Then Ven. Sariputta asked him that do you Enjoy killing those people?
He said no , he doesn’t like what he does. Then Sariputta told him that you won’t be born in hell as your mind didn’t Like imparting that torture on them. That man doesn’t believe Ven. Sariputta and leaves by saying that he would definitely be born in hell. He becomes a Deva after his death.
I don’t know the Sutta please check or else I will try to search it.
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Wisdom along with the Dhamma creates path towards Nibbana. Note that intelligence and wisdom are very different things.
For that one must be open minded and have the ability to analyse any given information ,example , the pleasure cycle, anicca,etc. I have also faced similar issues, people instantly try to claim that their religion already has this knowledge or that it has been known in their religion even before the Buddha ( when I used to teach them about kamma and 31 realms). Yet they suffer and are still neither satisfied nor have the knowlegde to permanently eradicate suffering. For them if their religion is “attacked” they feel their egos to be hurt. I Had a very similar incident with my hindu Uncle. Even after explaining everything to him in an easy manner and in great depth, he still said that he would follow hinduism. Its best to explain to those who are truly willing to listen and who dont try to make their religion appear great in comparison to buddha dhamma. I also shared these teachings to my mothers friend who was very amazed of it but never again asked to learn more( I think the wisdom faculty in this case was very low).I sent these teachings to my friend and she never bothered to even listen to a single sermon. She frequently posts about herself and her friends partying and going to picnics and all. If she had understood the dhamma, she would’nt have had to experience this much Pilana for something that is not true happiness.
So the best way that I feel is to try to introduce the teachings by explaining the Pleasure cycle and then Distorted Sanna. I tried with this with my cousin sister and it worked . It would then create more curiosity in them and then we can proceed further.
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I have also practiced Goenka’s Vipassana and to be honest it was a torture to the mind.
Even if you feel a strong itch or muscle cramp, they advise you to stay in that position as these sensations or pains are “mental defilements that are being released through the body”!
I never used to really”enjoy” that meditation, as it was both physically and mentally fatiguing. I don’t know how can one see the equanimity of everything without understanding the Buddha Dhamma first.
I never experienced any progress in terms of mental defilements, but more irritation in the mind because of the above mentioned things. That was in 2013, then after 9 years I came across the true dhamma.
Thinking about the existence of a merciful and loving God, Devas,etc. provides Hope to the person. But what does hope bring? It brings nothing. You can stop your fears and worries temporarily but that is not the solution to the problem.
This is the reason that Man has tried to find a loving God so that his fears and worries are suppressed.
Buddha Dhamma makes one independent and free completely.
