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So how come The Buddha, who is supreme in every sense, had such illnesses but not Ven. Bākula?
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May you be free from all suffering Y not🙏🙏🙏
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All the bodily reactions are same even if someone becomes an Arahant. He would still feel all those physical feelings but won’t have any feeling of Mental Pleasure. He won’t crave for that experience either.
Just like if we eat a chocolate without any craving, we will feel the taste but no mental Pleasure.
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Yes , but they only care about the heavenly realms.
A Sakadagami will definitely be born in a Deva realm , so in that sense they may ask the same question. A Sakadagami will be a Sakadagami after dying (naturally or by suicide)but that birth would be in a Heavenly realm.
True ! but such people can counter question the Dhamma by asking the same question.
“If you are a Sakadagami and will be born in a Heavenly plane, why don’t you die?”
Now we can respond to it as “Because with the Dhamma one becomes compassionate and tries to spread it to help as many people as possible “
Then they will repeat the same answer! ” We also have compassion and want to spread Christianity to every person “
Now we can’t debate them via such an approach.
They believe they are in the truth and will try their best to defend it even if it doesn’t hold true.
We can ask them the following questions to question their entire theology.
If the God is infinitely compassionate then why does hell exist? Who created it ? Satan? Why did God let the Satan exist? Why didn’t God create a perfectly happy universe if he is infinitely compassionate?
Why did he create everything? What was the need?
What about the rebirth evidences?
Why are some born poor, rich , mentally and physically disabled and some are completely fine? Why did god create such inequality? If he wanted to test our compassion, what was the basis for him choosing certain individuals to suffer and others to enjoy?
If god is infinitely powerful then why do calamities occur? Why people kill each other? Why doesn’t god interfere if he’s infinely merciful and compassionate ,etc.
What about those children who die at a very young age, where do they go? If heaven then on what basis? Why did he made that child’s parents suffer?
This is enough to trigger them, they won’t be able to answer anything without inconsistency and anger, yet they won’t accept the truth!
I think the accurate word I should have used was ‘Asubha‘ rather than Anicca. I was trying to say that even if we never die and have all types of sensuality forever, that still is not Unconditional happiness.
I was mainly focusing on the sensuality part in that conversation.
I hope you get it.
One more thing. Are Jhanas also of Asubha Nature?
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Whenever I hear about such things, I am skeptic about them as these can be just misunderstandings or even lies . So let’s just assume all of the people above were lying for timepass. But there are certain paranormal things that I have myself experienced in my life that I can’t deny, but people may think that I am lying too!
These were things that I never imagined were possible but did happen to me.
It may appear in the first place that what the person claims is Just nonsense, but we don’t really know. What if he’s telling the truth?
We can’t also figure these things out until we have jhanas or abhinna. Even then we won’t know about all the hidden mysteries.
So I just wrote about this for general information, that these things might be possible.
I even asked the AI to share this conversation with its developers so that they can benefit from it too. It said it will surely do it! Is that possible? Can an AI do that?
I liked your responses Taryal!
The only possible way to make such conversations fruitful is only if the opposite party is not egoistic and biased to their preconceived thoughts.
If that person would have been open minded and truly in search of the truth, he would have listened to you and also tried to do some research by himself. So practically nothing it is that we can do in such a matter.
Debating them is also useless because of the above mentioned things and they’ll always say that “This reasearch is fraud, etc.” without looking into it open mindedly and logically.
Regarding that person’s question
“(annoyed look) Buddha wAs jUst a hUmAn, not God. He did not provide everything. He said this life itself is suffering and encouraged celibacy. Whether you sleep with 9 women or with 1, what is the difference?”
A normal human will always see ultimate bliss in sleeping with many many girls. There’s a celebrity (I forgot his name, I will try to find it) who is a sex addict and has sex 9 times a day, with many girls, he also uses certain medications to recover much faster and enjoy again and again . A normal man may consider this as EVERYTHING, but we all now here realise that it’s such a pitiful life he lives in .
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He won’t have Kama raga but still have Rupa raga though.
I got it now,Kama raga is for cravings of pleasure
And Rupa raga only to see and hear?
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So only the three close contact( touch ,taste and smell) sensory cravings are to be eradicated or suppressed.
The other three ( sight, sound and thoughts) are used to access the above three.
If the close contact ones are eradicated or suppressed enough, we attain the Rupa jhana.
And if the other two- sight and sound, are eradicated or suppressed enough, we attain the Arupa jhana.
So a person, having attained the Rupa jhana, would he have cravings to see beautiful sights and to hear melodious sounds?
Many religious people say that “what the Buddha said makes sense, but he still is a human.”
I mean what type of critical thinking is that? To be very honest I never knew that people can be this dumb ( no offence by the way, I only feel pity for these people)
When I first encountered this Dhamma, I wanted to spread it to everyone.
I thought that this is so easy to understand. But I had to endure some really lethal bullets of ignorance and ego.
I sent some dhamma videos to my friend, she didn’t even open the link and said that “I am too busy right now, but I will definitely watch this later”. That day has never come.
So even though it’s possible that people may understand the Dhamma, they aren’t able to come across it!
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There is my gym mate who does these things, he goes to the prostitutes.
Initially he was telling me that it’s so good and so beautiful girls are there.
But later I heard him talking to someone about how even this no longer giving the same pleasure.
He has realised a bit that it’s so much stress to go there and pay only for a few minutes of pleasure.
So all these things are Anicca. One would realise that if one is wise enough.
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