Sila of a Sotapanna

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    • #45663
      Lal
      Keymaster

      I am transferring the following two comments from Gad (and my answer to one of them) that were under an incorrect forum for this subject. 

      • Before asking a question, please take the time to look at the various forum topics and select the most relevant forum for the question.

      Gad: “I have a question about the sila of a sotapanna. A sotapanna remove the actions who lead to the apayas. Is that mean that a sotapanna cannot break any of the 5 preceptes ? His sila is perfect ?

      My answer:

      It is possible for a Sotapanna to break the five precepts. 

       

      Gad’s follow-up question: 

    • #45667
      Lal
      Keymaster

      1. Kamma and their vipaka (consequences) is a complex subject. 

      • The Buddha advised us not to try to analyze how they work. It is a subject fully comprehensible only to a Buddha.
      • See “Acinteyya Sutta (AN 4.77).” There the Buddha lists four subjects that are not fully comprehensible by average humans. One of them is: “Kammavipāko, bhikkhave, acinteyyo, na cintetabbo;” OR “The results of kamma cannot be comprehended by average humans.”

      2. However, the Buddha has given some general guidelines in several suttas. For example, see “Mahākammavibhaṅga Sutta (MN 136)” and “Cūḷakammavibhaṅga Sutta (MN 135)

      3. Regarding a Sotapanna: A Sotapanna is unlikely to engage in any akusala kamma unless it becomes unavoidable. 

      • For example, it is highly unlikely that a Sotapanna will willingly steal, lie, or engage in immoral actions, let alone kill a human. But there are situations where an immoral action may be unavoidable. It is only an Arahant who will NEVER be able to engage in immoral actions.
      • The six actions are those that a Sotapanna will NEVER be able to commit for any reason.

      4. The following posts may be helpful:

      The Five Precepts – What the Buddha Meant by Them
      How to Evaluate Weights of Different Kamma
      What is Kamma? – Is Everything Determined by Kamma?

      Kusala and Akusala Kamma, Punna and Pāpa Kamma
      Ten Immoral Actions (Dasa Akusala)
      Punna Kamma – Dāna, Sīla, Bhāvanā

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    • #45673
      Gad
      Participant

      Thank you Sir Lal 🙏🏿

    • #46814
      Gad
      Participant

      I found a sutta that said exactly what Mr. Lal means. I don’t know if he had already posted this sutta in one of these articles.

      Snp 2.1 Ratana Sutta: Jewels Discourse

      9. Ye ariyasaccāni vibhāvayanti

      Gambhīrapaññena sudesitāni

      Kiñcāpi te honti bhusappamattā

      Na te bhavaṁ aṭṭhamaṁ ādiyanti

      Idam’pi Saṅghe ratanaṁ paṇītaṁ

      Etena saccena suvatthi hotu

      Those who comprehend the Noble Truths, well taught by the Buddha of profound wisdom, no matter how negligent, would not take an eighth existence. In the Saṅgha is this precious jewel. By this truth, may there be well-being!

      10. Sahāva’ssa dassana sampadāya

      Tayassu dhammā jahitā bhavanti

      Sakkāyadiṭṭhi vicikicchitañ ca

      Sīlabbataṁvā’pi yadatthi kiñci

      Catūhapāyehi ca vippamutto,

      Cha cābhiṭhānāni abhabbo kātuṁ

      Idampi Saṅghe ratanaṁ paṇītaṁ

      Etena saccena suvatthi hotu

      For one who has attained the correct view, three fetters are abandoned: self-centered view, doubt, and clinging to wrong practices. Freed from the four planes of misery, he cannot commit the six major wrong-doings that lead to hell. In the Saṅgha is this precious jewel. By this truth, may there be well-being!

      11. Kiñcā’pi so kammaṁ karoti pāpakaṁ

      Kāyena vācā uda cetasā vā

      Abhabbo so tassa paṭicchādāya

      Abhabbatā diṭṭha padassa vuttā

      Idampi Saṅghe ratanaṁ paṇītaṁ

      Etena saccena suvatthi hotu

      Though he might do some evil deed by body, speech, or mind, he cannot hide it; such is impossible for one who has seen the Dhamma. In the Saṅgha is this precious jewel. By this truth, may there be well-being!

       

       

       

       

    • #46815
      Lal
      Keymaster

      I have not translated the Ratana Sutta.  But your post has a good enough description. Thank you!

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