Reply To: Indriya bhavana/good deeds/ayatana

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upekkha100
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So going back to what I had wanted to point out before:

The 7 universal cetasika of a citta:
1) Phassa
2) Vedana
3) Sanna
4) Cetana
5) Ekaggata
6) Jivitindriya
7) Manasikara

Is the following correct:
-All of those 7 cetasika start out as pure/uncontaminated
-All start out as neutral.
-Whether it is an anariya or Ariya.

Meaning for example:
-Phassa is just phassa, and not yet samphassa at this initial stage.
-Sanna is not yet nicca/sukha/atta.
-Vedana is neither amisa sukha nor amisa dukha. At this early stage, it is neutral too(I remember using listening to a favorite song repeatedly as an example, and was told my vedana would INITIALLY be neutral before contaminating with tanha each time I’d listen to it.)

Question:
It is said cetana is the cetasika that include the other cetasikas: asobhana cetasika or sobhana cetasika. Both asobhana and sobhana cetasika generate kamma. Bad kamma and good kamma. Neither are neutral. So at the early stage of a citta, is the cetana cetasika neutral too like phassa/sanna/vedana/and the rest of the universal cetasika? Meaning: at the very early initial stage, is it correct to say that cetana does not incorporate any of the kamma generating cetasikas(neither asobhana cetasika nor sobhana cetasika)?