How Are Gathi and Kilesa Incorporated into Thoughts?

September 22, 2016

In this post, we will discuss why mano sankhara are different from kaya and vaci sankhara. Understanding this will help one to realize how our gathi can AUTOMATICALLY give rise to immoral thoughts.

  • It will also help one understand how such initial immoral thoughts can be overcome by purposefully generating moral thoughts. This is actually the basis of the Satipattana and Anapanasati bhavana.
  • Furthermore, we will discuss the issue of where our gathi, kilesa, or cetasika are “stored”.

This is the seventh post in this section:  “Living Dhamma“.  To get full benefits, one should start from the first post. I am using a combination of text and audio files to convey a lot of information in this section.

Here are the audio files (in two parts):

The second audio — which is more important — has lower volume. So, you may need to turn up volume at your computer:

  • October 27, 2016: In this desana, I incorrectly said that speech is vaci sankhara because the mouth and the tongue are moved during speech. However, whether one talks to oneself or actually get the words out loud, both are vaci sankhara.
  • There is a difference between moving body parts in general (as in walking) and moving the lips and tongues during speech. They are done with two types of rupa: kaya vinnatti and vaci vinnatti; see, “Correct Meaning of Vaci Sankhara“.
  • My thanks to the reader who pointed out my mistake in categorizing speech as kaya sankhara. I had to dig deeper in Abhidhamma to find the explanation. I can and do make mistakes, and that is why I welcome your input. My goal is to have the site to be fully self-consistent.
Posts mentioned in the desana

1. Suicide statistics: Suicide and Depression

  • I know that most readers of this site do not have suicide tendencies. But the point is that we underestimate the severity of mental suffering compared to our physical suffering.

2. If one has a hard time comprehending the Tilakkhana, starting with anicca, one needs to first follow the mundane Eightfold Path, remove the first type of suffering, and experience the niramisa sukha as explained in the previous posts in this section.

3. More details on how our minds control our physical bodies are in the sections: “Citta and Cetasika” and “Gandhabbaya (Manomaya Kaya)“.

4. How thoughts can affect other people: “Transfer of Merits (Pattidana) – How Does it Happen?“.

5. The brain architecture of humans and animals: “Truine Brain: How the Mind Rewires the Brain via Meditation/Habits“.

6. The post mentioned in the discussion on the question “Where are these gathi or kilesa or cetasika are maintained or stored?”: “Our Two Worlds : Material and Mental“.

Next in the series, “Noble Eightfold Path – Role of Sobhana Cetasika“.

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