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I think it was Ven. Moggallana who was trying to remove microorganisms from the water before drinking, but the Buddha said that it’s impossible to live in this Sansara without harming others. So wasn’t that act an apunna abhisankhara as the microorganisms would be killed?. But the Arahant doesn’t have any Upadana for harming others, so the kamma won’t generate. So with this logic it only depends on the Upadana for such acts. If someone gets a random thought of killing someone from past Memory,but that person doesn’t “attach” to that thought and cultivate anger, it won’t generate any kamma as there is no “liking” for that act . So why is it that if someone does something but doesn’t have the Upadana or liking for that act still generate kamma? An Arahant doesn’t generate any kamma at all because their minds are devoid of any Upadana. So even if an Arahant preaches dhamma which is the best way to accumulate punna kamma, he still won’t accumulate any kamma.
So this is what I am trying to ask. It only depends on the Upadana or “liking” for that act that generates kamma.
Dear Pathfinder,
The Arahant won’t mentally feel pleasure or “happiness”. His happiness has become unshakable, it doesn’t depend on the outside flavours
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Sensuality starts from the mind Vexing. And if you are able to provide relief to that mental vexation, you will feel pleasure.
That is not true happiness but merely relief from mental burning. So enjoying something means that you were craving for it(mental vexation) and now you have got it. That relief is felt as”enjoying”. You have to suffer initially to “enjoy” such things by generating wanting( vexation). True happiness is the state when one doesn’t burn from the mind. So he won’t get affected by such sense objects because the mind is neither wanting nor having aversion .
To enter jhana one needs a “stable” mind, that doesn’t wander around. If you enjoy sensuality then the mind is not at rest and can’t be concentrated.
I would recommend everyone that no one on this forum, who is genuinely aiming to achieve Nibbana, would say anything derogatory intentionally, so it’s best to understand each other’s thoughts . We all are here to achieve the highest level of compassion for all beings!
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Hmm, I think written texts don’t express our intentions and tones.
What I said was my experience and I don’t think this should have been triggering in any way. This is what I have seen all my life till now. Majority of the women are not interested in such things. But I also mentioned that it too depends on the Person’s Gati, it’s not a general thing. As Taryal also mentioned the statistics.
In many Indian households ,people especially hindu women follow certain rituals and fasts and if asked about the reason, they say that it has been followed since their ancestors. They don’t want to use slightest intelligence in such things but are ready to Gossip about other women. Many Men too do such things. As I mentioned earlier it depends on the Person’s Gati.
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I too shared these teachings many times to my female friend, and she said that she would be reading it but never did. There is something about majority of women that lacks intellect or curiosity, but it ultimately depends on the person, my mother for example was very keen in knowing all this stuff from a young age and was very curious towards such things.
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So how come The Buddha, who is supreme in every sense, had such illnesses but not Ven. Bākula?
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May you be free from all suffering Y not🙏🙏🙏
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All the bodily reactions are same even if someone becomes an Arahant. He would still feel all those physical feelings but won’t have any feeling of Mental Pleasure. He won’t crave for that experience either.
Just like if we eat a chocolate without any craving, we will feel the taste but no mental Pleasure.
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Yes , but they only care about the heavenly realms.
A Sakadagami will definitely be born in a Deva realm , so in that sense they may ask the same question. A Sakadagami will be a Sakadagami after dying (naturally or by suicide)but that birth would be in a Heavenly realm.
True ! but such people can counter question the Dhamma by asking the same question.
“If you are a Sakadagami and will be born in a Heavenly plane, why don’t you die?”
Now we can respond to it as “Because with the Dhamma one becomes compassionate and tries to spread it to help as many people as possible “
Then they will repeat the same answer! ” We also have compassion and want to spread Christianity to every person “
Now we can’t debate them via such an approach.
They believe they are in the truth and will try their best to defend it even if it doesn’t hold true.
We can ask them the following questions to question their entire theology.
If the God is infinitely compassionate then why does hell exist? Who created it ? Satan? Why did God let the Satan exist? Why didn’t God create a perfectly happy universe if he is infinitely compassionate?
Why did he create everything? What was the need?
What about the rebirth evidences?
Why are some born poor, rich , mentally and physically disabled and some are completely fine? Why did god create such inequality? If he wanted to test our compassion, what was the basis for him choosing certain individuals to suffer and others to enjoy?
If god is infinitely powerful then why do calamities occur? Why people kill each other? Why doesn’t god interfere if he’s infinely merciful and compassionate ,etc.
What about those children who die at a very young age, where do they go? If heaven then on what basis? Why did he made that child’s parents suffer?
This is enough to trigger them, they won’t be able to answer anything without inconsistency and anger, yet they won’t accept the truth!
I think the accurate word I should have used was ‘Asubha‘ rather than Anicca. I was trying to say that even if we never die and have all types of sensuality forever, that still is not Unconditional happiness.
I was mainly focusing on the sensuality part in that conversation.
I hope you get it.
One more thing. Are Jhanas also of Asubha Nature?
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Whenever I hear about such things, I am skeptic about them as these can be just misunderstandings or even lies . So let’s just assume all of the people above were lying for timepass. But there are certain paranormal things that I have myself experienced in my life that I can’t deny, but people may think that I am lying too!
These were things that I never imagined were possible but did happen to me.
It may appear in the first place that what the person claims is Just nonsense, but we don’t really know. What if he’s telling the truth?
We can’t also figure these things out until we have jhanas or abhinna. Even then we won’t know about all the hidden mysteries.
So I just wrote about this for general information, that these things might be possible.
I even asked the AI to share this conversation with its developers so that they can benefit from it too. It said it will surely do it! Is that possible? Can an AI do that?
I liked your responses Taryal!
The only possible way to make such conversations fruitful is only if the opposite party is not egoistic and biased to their preconceived thoughts.
If that person would have been open minded and truly in search of the truth, he would have listened to you and also tried to do some research by himself. So practically nothing it is that we can do in such a matter.
Debating them is also useless because of the above mentioned things and they’ll always say that “This reasearch is fraud, etc.” without looking into it open mindedly and logically.
Regarding that person’s question
“(annoyed look) Buddha wAs jUst a hUmAn, not God. He did not provide everything. He said this life itself is suffering and encouraged celibacy. Whether you sleep with 9 women or with 1, what is the difference?”
A normal human will always see ultimate bliss in sleeping with many many girls. There’s a celebrity (I forgot his name, I will try to find it) who is a sex addict and has sex 9 times a day, with many girls, he also uses certain medications to recover much faster and enjoy again and again . A normal man may consider this as EVERYTHING, but we all now here realise that it’s such a pitiful life he lives in .
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