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Hello Namo0804 !!!
Don’t worry english is not my first language to i have sometimes many difficulty to express my point of view clearly especially about Dhamma.
I totally agree with your point. Dana sila and Bhavana are the basis. I share this video for those on this forum who are more visual. I also see some concept like abortion, gandhabba and state of mind. That why i was thinking that can be interresting. Like you said each persons had different type of gati !
May you achieve the path 🙏🏿
With Metta
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3. Arhant cannot get into any bhavanga ever again. even at the time when buddha died, many cried except arahants as far as I know.
The anagamis to. Sadness and sorrow are eradicate in Anagami state
Hello Christian
I don’t completely agree with you. To understand the Buddha Dhamma and accept that you need to have the fear of Samsara. The fear to know you will end up in a apaya if you don’t became sotāpanna. If you don’t fear and care about the future suffering of the Samsarā so what the point to pratice the Buddha Dhamma??? If the people don’t care of hell is their problems. Of course they will not believe they have micchādiṭṭhi and they are puthujanas. The basic of Buddha Dhamma is to believe in the 31 plans. If someone didn’t believe in this he can’t becomes a sotapanna. Sir Lal insists of the fear of apayas when he makes his posts. In one of his posts he shares a video who records sounds of niraya hell.
I don’t know if you watched clearly but in the video the girl commit sexual misconduct and makes an abortion who lead her to his own death. Before she died she had the mind state of a niraya being. I analyzed the video in more depth before sharing it on the forum. I was seeing some concepts like gandhabba and state of mind who lead to a rebirth. You said “that fear guilt to people into pratice”. Hiri and Otappa are among the 25 goods cetasikas in the 52. (HIRI) shame or fear to do bad deeds and (OTAPPA) the fear of the consequences of such deeds. We NEED to have this fear in the beginning is the BASIS. People will ALWAYS talk bad on Buddhism is anatta(uncontrolable) we can’t do anything about that. In Lord Buddha’s time this was the case. In the modern day is still the case (I saw people on reddit talking badly about puredhamma site)
Now in the moderns days we have this kind of technology where we can make somes concept in a visual way. Some people are more visual so that can help them.The purpose of this video is not to makes propaganda but to explain that bad deeds lead to bad rebirths. I don’t see what is not usefull to shares it. If Sir Lal thinks is not appropriate he can delete this post i will respect that.
(I shows this video to a friend who are non buddhist. She was scares and shocks she thinking the buddhists doesn’t believe in hell. I told her no we believe in hell but unlike other religions beliefs is not eternal. So i think this kind of video can be helpfull to destroys somes myths on buddhism. I was a christians before and i see what do you mean but in this case i didn’t see propaganda. She didn’t seem to think is ridiculeous and she learn something new!! )
Of course puredhamma have more explanations and go more deeper i can’t deny this !!
“What a wandering mind can do“
In this sutta, Bhikkhu Sangharakkhita became sotāpanna after seeing why it is useless to have many expectations in this world with 31 plans. Before that, he had too many desires like getting a job, possessing much wealth, and living comfortably. He became sotāpanna after hearing this discourse from the Lord Buddha: 37th verse of the Dhammapada.
“Dūrangamaṁ ekacaraṁ,
Asariraṁ guhāsayaṁ,
ye cittaṁ saññamessanti,
mokkhanti mārabandhanā.”
“The mind wanders far alone,
without a body, hidden in the cave of the heart,
those who restrain the mind,
will be released from the bonds of the Māra. (1)
That reminds me of a post of Sir Lal when he talks about future expectations in point 10
10. There are many types of kamma viññāṇa that we can have. The minor ones are expectations of getting something done, buying something, getting a new job, etc.
- Sankhāra, or “thinking of that expectation and making plans to get it done by speaking and doing things (that includes vaci saṅkhāra and kāya saṅkhāra),” will make that viññāṇa grow. This comes via the “saṅkhāra paccayā viññāṇa” step.
“Viññāṇa – Consciousness Together With Future Expectations“
Also, I want to know, Sir does the Drarisworld post above have the correct explanation?
Thank you for the response Sir. If i understand well the signless immersion of the hearth refers to the arupavacara samapatti states.
I found the sutta of venerable Bhikkhu Citta called Hatthirohaputta. The bhikkhu sotapanna who ordained 6 time before he became arahant. Some versions are little bit different.
Here is the link to his story: “Citta called Hatthirohaputta (Hatthisāriputta)“
The sutta: “With Hatthisāriputta (AN 6.60)“
This sutta is very useful to understand how even someone who has the anariya jhanas can still have kama ragā. Arahant Mahākoṭṭhita explains it clearly in this story. Bhikkhu Citta was a Sotapanna and he possessed the anariyas Jhanas. Arahant Mahākoṭṭhita said he would eventually disrobe. (In this story, it is not explicitly said that venerable citta was a Sotāpanna) In another version, it was stated that’s why I posted two links.
I also have a question Sir Lal what is the signless immersion of the heart??
Thank you for the reference Sir. Yes is a sad situation. I even talk about your site and venerable Waharaka Thero with a monk and he told me do not follow him gandhabba is a wrong view. I didn’t said anything i really respect this monk but is sad. They don’t want to try. My teacher agree with many concept of pure dhamma even if he don’t agree with certain the most he agree. He reading your site sir. He told me is really shameful the Theravada don’t want to include the gandhabba concept nowdays.
“Nāvā Sutta: Discourse on the Ship“
“Suppose, monks a carpenter, or a carpenter’s apprentice has an axe and sees the marks of his fingers or the thumb on its handle. But, he will not know that so much of the handle had worn today, so much had worn yesterday, or so much had worn on the day before yesterday. But, he will still know from what is worn away that it has worn away.”
“In the same way, monks, when a monk engages himself in the development of the mind, he does not know, so much of the fermentations had worn today, so much had worn yesterday, or so much had worn on the day before yesterday. But, he will still know from what is worn away that they have worn away.”
“Satta Jatilā Sutta: Discourse on Seven Matted-hair Ascetics (Jatilā)“
In this sutta, the Lord Buddha warns about the impostors. Some people claim they are arahants, but they are not. That reminds me a lot of fake Bhikkhus today. The Buddha said we must associate with someone for a long time and observe his behavior before trusting him.
“Great king, as a layman enjoying worldly sense pleasures, living in a home with wives and children, enjoying the use of sandalwood, decorating the body with flowers, scents, and perfumes, and using gold and money, it is difficult for you to know who are Arahants and who are practicing the path to becoming Arahants.”
Thank you for the reference Sir🙏🏿.
For the fourth point i want to complete. At the beginning of the sasana the Lord Buddha didn’t makes rules. The first monks was already ariya they didn’t need somes rules they already knows what is wholesome and unwholesome. Lord buddha added gradually the rules at varied occasion and when puthujunas with varied behaviors joined the sangha.
Yes. A story came to my mind. I was reading this story a few years ago. I forgot the name of this sutta. If someone can post the reference, that would be great. A great deva was enjoying sensual pleasure with several hundred female devas. The female devas were in a tree picking flowers. He was under the tree, and when he looked up the tree, it was empty. It’s like he never had anyone. He was really confused. He couldn’t find them anywhere. He went to the Buddha, who told him they were all in the apayas. Their lifespan was over. Then, after Buddha gave him a discourse, this deva became a Sotapanna.
Thank you Sir for this remind. But if i understand well we cannot directly pass to the Brahma realm to the niraya ?? For example a person cultivate all the jhana and takes rebirth in a brahma world he will not go directly to the apaya right? He will reborn as a deva or a human before he do the apayagami?
I was reading about the princesse who cultivate the Jhana. After she died as a brahma she was reborn as the daughter of a millionnaire. During this life she commit the apayagami actions. Many lifes later after the parinibbãna of the Lord buddha she becames arahant.
