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I have not watched the video posted on this thread, but I happen to know of this method or technique (if we can call it that) of the 6Rs. It is also called TWIM (Tranquil Wisdom Insight Meditation).
It was the teaching from the late bhikkhu Bhante Vimalaramsi at Dhamma Sukha Meditation Center:
https://www.dhammasukha.org/the-6rs
In this link there is a video instructions of the meditation:
Instructions for Metta or Lovingkindness Meditation and the 6Rs by Bhante Vimalaramsi
There are many talks by Bhante Vimalaramsi on Youtube about metta bhavana that leads to jhana.
My guess is that Delson Armstrong is now the principal teacher at Dhamma Sukha.
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LangIt’s great to hear of personal experiences of others. A couple of questions:
— (1) —
@Christian
“…real jhana shakes up the whole worldview especially materialistic.”Is the “shaking up” due to the fact that one has entered another loka, i.e. the rupavacara brahma loka? So that now one sees first hand that other lokā other than the kama loka exist?
— (2) —
@Lal
P.S. Also, to reach magga phala, two more stages of Anuloma (A) and Gotrabu (G) must be accessed. For example, a Sotapanna Anugami may reach the upacāra samadhi and not go through the other two stages for a while (could be months or years) until attaining the Sotapanna phala.… but in the post
Citta Vīthi – Processing of Sense Inputs
… the last sentence sounds like the sotapanna anugami stage happens at the Gotrabu moment:
“The change to an Ariya happens even before the Sōtapanna phala moment, at the Gotrabu (G) moment. Gotra means “lineage,” and Gotrabu is the change of lineage. Thus, one would become a Sōtapanna Anugāmi with the Gotrabu citta.”
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First, let’s reiterate something obvious that everyone already knows: When one makes an effort in understanding and living Buddha Dhamma one will get many “Aha!” moments, which lead to real, unshakable saddhā.
pathfinder brought up how historical evidence can also help build faith (saddhā), and there is no question that they do — up to a point. However, they can potentially lead to more time wasting as dosakkhayo pointed out concerning the nature of evidence.
Let’s use as example the first Buddhist Council from pathfinder, and let’s suppose that an Ashoka pillar has just been discovered with some inscription that suggests that there was some kind of a gathering at the location mentioned in the tipitaka. Will that settle it? Not necessarily, as the pillar may spawn more interpretation — just like dosakkhayo pointed out — such as:
The inscription is vague
It may be about a gathering of some other sects
Disagreements among scholars as to the meaning of parts of the inscription
ad infinitumSo, do we then spend more time, potential endlessly, discussing the evidence?
I brought up Ashoka pillars because I personally find them convincing, and that may be the only kind of “evidence” available to us in modern times, along with stupas.
I remember reading about the Ashoka pillar at Lumbini, with the inscription that King Ashoka visited the site to honor the birthplace of the Buddha. And then many, many years back I saw the news about an ancient Buddhist shrine discovered there. With that, I was convinced that the Buddha was born in the area of Lumbini, like the tipitaka said.
Are all of my Buddhist friends convinced of the birthplace of the Buddha as I am? No. Some say that what I call “evidence” is still inconclusive; do I then spend more time to debate with them that it is conclusive, or do I just spend that time studying Dhamma? We all know what the right answer is.
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I’d like to ask a different line of question about jhana samapatti if I may.
Let’s say that a person is in an anariya jhana samapatti, which means that during that time he is in a temporary rupavacara bhava.
Is the upadana paccaya bhava step still operating in this case? And if so is jhana the object of upadana?
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In psychology, there is something called the confirmation bias: people’s tendency to process information in a way that is consistent with their existing beliefs. It is one of many cognitive biases, but it is the central one.
What makes this so hard to correct is because we don’t even know that it is going on, because of another bias: the blind spot bias, ie we cannot see our own biases.
Furthermore, even when we can see things logically, another layer of ego protection comes in: we can’t be wrong. Accepting new view points mean that we were wrong before, and if we have been wrong for decades then the stakes are too high.
To be a bit facetious, those old enough to know the sitcom “Happy Days” may remember the Fonzi character, who cannot get the word “wrong” out of his throat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvdY3HfepOo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPMIdIGj8v0
The confirmation bias, plus a bit of “Fonzi” in us, may prevent people from accepting Dhamma concepts if they conflict with their existing understanding.
AI is free from these emotional conflicts.
That’s my 2 cents.
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Many of the points here are also in the following post:
A Google search showed the Pali name Siddhatta Gotama for the Sanskrit Siddhartha Gautama.
I’d like to share an experience from a long time ago that I found interesting, although it is an “off Dhamma topic”.
More than 10 years ago I met someone from Nepal with the last name Shakya. He knew that I was Buddhist, so he shared with me that his parents and grandparents told him that his family descended from the Shakya clan of the Buddha himself (he also quipped that there wasn’t a bone of enlightenment in him).
I was curious to do a search and found this article from way back:
The Shakya Clan in India: A Rediscovered Heritage
I know that in our PD community we have different views about where the Buddha actually lived. I personally believe that the Buddha lived in India — was born in Lumbini, attained buddhahood at Bodh Gaya, turned the wheel of Dhamma at Sarnath, parinibba at Kusinārā — so the geography in the article made sense to me; but that’s a side note. Regardless, it was nice to to read about a group of people rediscovering their heritage and turning to Buddha Dhamma, whether or not they are truly the Shakya people of the Buddha’s clan.
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nibbana is the object of a pabhassara citta, see below (at the end of the post).
Nirōdha Samāpatti, Phala Samāpatti, Jhāna, and Jhāna Samāpatti
At first, I thought that the pabhassara citta is supramundane (lokuttara), so I took it to mean that it was not quite a manōdvāra citta; I thought a manōdvāra citta took only a dhammmā from this world.
Searching around, I saw that it took nibbana as the object. I guess this is where the two spheres, lokiya and lokuttara, “touch”.
Furthermore, see this thread, where Lal stated that “the “pabhassara citta” does not fall into any of the three “dhatu” or “loka.”
https://puredhamma.net/forums/topic/compilation-of-my-thought/#post-50814
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I’d like to use this thread to verify my understanding of “distorted saññā”, a topic I’ve been studying on the site — slowly. Besides reading the posts, I used the concept of a citta vithi to understand the topic, and I’d like to share it here to see if it makes sense.
First, a high-level summary of “distorted saññā” according to my understanding, and I’m limiting it to just humans and human arahants.
(1) We all have built-in “distorted saññā” due to the physical bodies. This is true for both a puthujjana and an arahant. For example, all of us likely has saññā about the sweetness of sugar, the beauty of a woman, etc.
(2) For a puthujjana, “distorted saññā” can easily lead to saññā vipallāsa; for an arahant it does not. For example, a puthujjana may want more of sugary drink or to get to know the beautiful woman (or even seduce her).
(3) For an arahant in arahant-phala samapatti, there is no “distorted saññā”.
First, to help me understand “distorted saññā”, I call it “bhavanga saññā” to note that it is saññā embedded in a bhava.
Using my understanding of citta vithi in processing sense inputs, I’m thinking something like this:
(1) In processing a sense object via the five physical senses we have: 1 pañcadvāra citta vīthi + 3 manōdvāra citta vīthī.
Each citta in a citta vīthi has a saññā cetasika since it is a universal cetasika.
(2) The saññā cetasika in a pañcadvāra citta vīthi is the “distorted saññā”.
In the 3 manōdvāra citta vīthī that follow, the saññā cetasika can become saññā vipallāsa for a puthujjana, but not for an arahant.
(3) For an arahant in arahant-phala samapatti, there is only the pabhassara citta flowing, and thus there is no “distorted saññā”. The pabhassara citta is not a pañcadvāra citta nor even a manōdvāra citta.
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In the post, under #9:
The Pāli words like kamma, Nibbāna, Paṭicca Samuppāda were made “more impressive-sounding” by mostly adding the “r” sound.
Is “Maitreya” Sanskrit? Google says it is, and that “Metteyya” is Pali. Don’t know how reliable Google is on this, but “Metteyya” does “look” Pali.
And in the same light, I suppose that “Siddhartha” is Sanskrit?
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I want to echo everyone’s sentiment here about Lal. If I do attain the sotapanna anugami stage in this life, it will be because of this website.
Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu!
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Because the preceding sentence says “…, so the first condition is always satsifed for anyone.”, I read the sentence in question to mean:
Therefore, the second condition — grasping a new existence (bhava) at the cuti-paṭisandhi moment- is the condition that can be removed, which stops the rebirth process.
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Thank you, Lal.
So, we don’t attach to “distorted sanna“, but to samphassa-ja-vedana right? Thus,
“distorted sanna –> samphassa-ja-vedana –> tanha“
There is always the samphassa-ja-vedana in between, and not
“distorted sanna” –> tanha“
I must say I am still digesting the concept of “distorted sanna” (working my way through slowly), so, about my other question: can we call it “uppatti bhavanga sanna“?
Such educational discussion!
— Under #50692, Lal wrote:
“Puthujjana (or even a Sotapanna) may attach to such “mind-made vedana” because they do not understand that they are not “real” at a deeper level.”So, attachment is really attachment to a vedana, and I can see that via paticca samuppada (the niddesa version):
…salayatana paccaya samphassa-ja-vedana, samphassa-ja-vedana paccaya tanha …
— also under #50692
“Those below the Anagami stage (who have not fully grasped how “bahidda sanna” arises, would automatically be attached to that “bahidda sanna,” thinking it would benefit oneself.”Do we also attach to sanna? I thought the flow would be:
sanna –> vedana –> tanha
Also, we discussed “distorted sanna”. If we can make up a phrase, can we call “distorted sanna” “uppatti bhavanga sanna“?
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LangThis is off topic, but since Lal brought up the mahāsatipaṭṭhāna Sutta (DN 22), and the verse:
“Idha, bhikkhave, bhikkhu araññagato vā rukkhamūlagato vā suññāgāragato vā nisīdati pallaṅkaṁ ābhujitvā ujuṁ kāyaṁ paṇidhāya parimukhaṁ satiṁ upaṭṭhapetvā.”
… I’d like to suggest everyone look at this post, if you haven’t seen it before:
Prerequisites for the Satipaṭṭhāna Bhāvanā
Here Lal explained the deeper meaning of the verse as getting into certain mindsets, and keeping the mind on the main subject of nibbana or cooling down. (Bullets 3,4,5,6)
Up until then I had only known the mundane meaning of the verse, which is similar to the translation in the above-mentioned link: Mahāsatipaṭṭhāna Sutta (DN 22) :
It’s when a mendicant — gone to a wilderness, or to the root of a tree, or to an empty hut — sits down cross-legged, sets their body straight, and establishes mindfulness in their presence.
I went to a number of “vipassana” retreats before, and this verse was always interpreted only with this mundane meaning, with some explaining the last part to mean “keeping attention in the area around the mouth” (i.e. breath meditation).
I can’t tell you all how exhilarated I was when I first came upon the above post! To the point where I memorized the verse — and Pali was no easy thing to a non native Sri Lankan or Indian like me.
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