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I will not be able to attend but I will post it on discord so other people may join:
Lal asked for discord so here is link – https://discord.gg/vh5EJsSTxD I’m in the process of rebuilding it so it will be step-by-step process right now most channales we had are archived. + research on supernatural phenomena for supporters
If anybody has screen recorder please record meeting anyway, you do not need to have paid plan, if you have any screen recorded or just built-in one if you have windows/nvidia graphic card.
If possible sent me link Lal on email I will put that on our discord so more people will come
also we could record it for future as we will probably have lots of questions and insights
Tibetan buddhism is not real Buddhism or Dhamma that leads to Nibbana. Tibetan buddhism books and practices (tantras) contain things like human flesh eating, sexually consuming body secretions, and “guru practices” which are directly or indirectly connected to hinduism (I’m talking as a general term, not specific tradition) shatras and tantras. Before learning Dhamma I was studying those various texts and if you are influenced by ignorance those things may be appealing to people. It was explained why that happens in a thread about music and notes (https://puredhamma.net/forums/topic/music-and-distorted-sanna/) – what is more “shocking'” that it uses the word “Buddha” explaining those practices. I sincerely hope people will reconsider practicing this type of “buddhisms”. Not only that, there are plenty of occultism and rituals, and when compared to suttas – suttas are against those practices, they are not leading to Nibbana but developing unwholesome states of mind. Buddha said clearly that Dhamma is good at the beginning, middle, and at the end. Tibetan quasi-buddhism is only sometimes good at the beginning but in reality, it’s just a sectarian attitude based on manipulation of people who are unable to think for themselves.
Many people would say “But its just meaning is different” or “meaning is secret teachings”, while the real Buddha said clearly in the suttas that there are no secret teachings.
“Thus spoke the Venerable Ananda, but the Blessed One answered him, saying: “What more does the community of bhikkhus expect from me, Ananda? I have set forth the Dhamma without making any distinction of esoteric and exoteric doctrine; there is nothing, Ananda, about the teachings that the Tathagata holds to the last with the closed fist of a teacher who keeps some things back. Whosoever may think that it is he who should lead the community of bhikkhus, or that the community depends upon him, is such a one that would have to give last instructions respecting them. But, Ananda, the Tathagata has no such idea as that it is he who should lead the community of bhikkhus, or that the community depends upon him. So what instructions should he have to give respecting the community of bhikkhus?”
With all due respect to tibetan culture, and way of life as people do not choose where they are born and I know we are all limited one way or another, but I would strongly advise not to calling “Tibetan Buddhism” “Buddhism” rather just Tibetan Tantra or Tibetan Hinduism as they worship hindu gods like shiva in many temples they build with specific goal go for rituals (in Nyingma Tibetan school).
Tibetan Hinduism (so-called “buddhism”) goes clearly against the Buddha Dhamma in many ways that it just can not be called or classified as Dhamma.
(I’m initiated into Shingon also in certain Tibetan teachings, I had “secret teachings” that were only available for people who were initiated – those are all in the bin of course, many of those texts were pretty extreme and pretty much line for line with hindu tantric texts while using “Buddhist” iconography to assert certain “authority” for person reading/studying)
I welcome everybody no matter what background they are from, I’m not talking in a judgemental way as I believe most people studying wrong things are most likely good people, trying to do good things and being not necessarily intentionally “hoaxed” but they are buying snake-oil. Many of those monks believe those teachings as many of them are part of yoga so obviously there may be some anariya jhanas or states/samadhis/powers but those do not lead to Nibbana.
There is no way to actually do it faster than you are naturally conditioned to progress on the Path. Imagine bodybuilding, it depends on your genetic makeup how much/big and how fast you will grow, it’s the same with Dhamma – having living Buddha would be relative to having “steroids” as Buddha could progress the Path for you by explaining what you need to know and in what context so you can realize Nibbana faster.
Also Dhamma Path is not progressive as you would think of, it takes much more for person as you need to develop your own way of understanding Dhamma or should I say “in your own way” to understand it. Anapanasati etc. are good but it takes much more then that so if you “want” to progress faster do not look of way to do it “faster” as you will develop unwholesme mind, you need to look for right inputs for your mind that can give you insight – and asking, talking with Ariyas, listening to the discourses are one way to do it and developing meditation so mind can see more clearly is another
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I think you need to setup your link to public as it does not work properly (at least as the one I posted in the first post)
I will try make connect this to our puredhamma discord channel with maybe little more advanced model, we see but this tool make navigate site more easier now as you can navigate thru questions :)
I was researching this topic before finding puredhamma, this got nothing to do with original teachings, it’s syncretism with “buddhism”
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Can you explain more on gathi in that context? For example gathi is translated as habit, changing habits take a lot of time (and sometimes it’s impossible without Dhamma insight or because person is not born as Tihetuka) so “just thinking” about something in form of Gandhabba will make one change the form? It seems I get used to “mundane” gathi or physical-body gathi. Something ain’t right here for me, I understand what you mean but I can not picture it in logical way yet, but got the glimpse.
So for example:
- You have physical body so the mind-energy that influence Gandhabba would be “slowed” as physical body can not catch up with changes that quickly. If someone is addicted to eating chocolate and does not want it, he can not change gathi on the go because brain/human body limits those sudden changes (as it’s not gandhaba form)
- If you die and gandhabba comes out now because of less density now “bhava” becoming a limit factor, so what here will be dominant in change? gathi, kamma or gandhaba? (I guess calculation is based on both in cuti-patisandi moment)
- Even finer bodies as you explain in deva would react to deva thoughts but what about kamma, kamma of the thought is enough to change bhava?
There are some missing links or me it terms of priority of calculation in kamma/gathi/bhava changes, I also accept if this is one of unthinakbles so if that go beyond our reach of understanding we will drop it
The only explanation is that frog attained jhana. It’s pretty interesting if jhana would be possible for animals :)
Three potential explanations:
- Frog attained jhana
- Frog attained samadhi (which is not regular state of mind that you can set yourself up thru emotions, but doubt as this takes one effort)
- Frog was at the end of bhava and things happen because of good kamma of the frog.
I think Yash misintepreting emotions (vedana) with mental state (citta)
There was other sutta when dying monk was taught by Ananda metta meditation, Buddha “scolded” Ananda that he should teach him Dhamma (Anicca, Dukkha and Anatta) so they come to his realm of devas to teach him Dhamma. Seems if the is strong samadhi and proper citta it may influence rebirth to some extent but I would not say it’s bulletproof method. It may work for certain individuals only.
The point is that Metta worked as gateway to jhana, you can not have metta without jhana to be honest the frog example is really interesting.
That’s not true because “trying to become something/someone” is not root cause but consequence of ignorance. You need to find the first cause or first reason why person want to become something then you will find that the reason you talking about is wrong.
There is sutta when Buddha say even “good” people to lower realms and “bad” people go to higher realms.
To understand the Buddha Dhamma and accept that you need to have the fear of Samsara
It’s impossible to become Sotapanna with fear, as fear is unwholesome state of mind. Saying that “become Sotapanna or you go to hell” is such bad take, that what catholic and other religious people do to fear people into practice thru fear. This will never work, as saying “do not bad things or you go to jail” – why people are still in jail? People work differently and this is actually ignorance that may harm Buddhism in eyes of many people who do not understand it properly. First people need to understand the concepts and the main messege of Buddha, later the things as “hell” become self evident so you just starting from the wrong foot and side which means you need to understand Buddha Dhamma better. Plus video shows wrong Dhamma concepts that are not really Dhamma but religious addition like “state of mind before dying” etc. also how she went to hell instantly without doing antariya kamma? This video is just fear inducing religious stuff that unintentionally mock Buddha Dhamma, people who made do not understand Dhamma and core concepts of it.
To sum it up for people who may see this thread first time – this got nothing to do with Buddhism in pure form.
Sorry to say but this kind of videos will make people ridicule Buddhism, it’s not really different catholic propaganda that they try to fear-guilt people into practice. For most people it does not matter if hell exists or not, they do not care. What they need is to have videos that explain Dhamma in logical manner and approachable way as puredhamma.net explains, I do not think so this type of videos fit this site level of understanding of Dhamma
“Is there a way to check who is teaching the correct Dhamma?”
The problem with checking is that person who checks it needs to have considerate high panna too.
