October 17, 2022 at 6:33 am #40957
October 17, 2022 at 8:02 am #40960JorgParticipant
I do wonder about something. All the arrows point to follow-up sections.
The lokas at the bottom right all have arrows pointing up and down. What’s the function of the down arrow then?
And why is there a big open square left of that?
I’m not familiar with charts such as these, so perhaps I’m missing the point here.
October 17, 2022 at 8:53 am #40961y notParticipant
Those three pairs of ‘up-and-down’ arrows are not follow-up sections. They indicate the vertical range of
what is applicable to the left of them horizontally (according to the three lokas) delineated by the horizontal black lines.
The large ’empty’ rectangle results of necessity…..as do the two smaller ones to the right.
October 17, 2022 at 7:03 pm #40985LayDhammaFollowerParticipant
Yes, reply from “y not” is correct.
Big square = empty because both nirāmisa vedanā and samphassa-jā-vedanā are mind made, they originates in mind. Hence, those three types of nirāmisa and three types of samphassa-jā-vēdanā belongs to dhammā indriya only.
Up and down arrows in bhava section denotes range of indriya.
In kama loka = all vēdanā are possible in kama loka, as all senses are available.
In Rupa loka = only eye, ear and dhammā indriya available, hence, number of vedanā reduced.
Again in Arupa loka = only dhammā indriya is there.
Also, all vipakā vedanā except those originating from body/touch are strictly neutral in beginning. However, vipakā vedanā originating from body might be of three types: sukha (pleasent; example: experiencing cool winds in summer), dukha (unpleasant; Example: Experiencing heat in summer, having bodily illness of various types), adukha adukha vedanā (neutral; example. Just seating on chair for some short time.).
Hence, the up down arrows under vipakā vedanā.
Please comment if you have any further questions.
October 17, 2022 at 10:45 pm #40991JorgParticipant
Thanks guys, that makes sense now.
October 18, 2022 at 6:54 am #40994LalKeymaster
I did not get a chance yesterday to look at the discussion. I have revised a couple of posts related to this discussion:
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