Thina middha and Sotapanna

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    • #35369
      DanielSt
      Participant

      Dear Lal,
      You write in the article related to the 5 Hindrances, that:
      “The hindrances of thina middha and vicikicchā go away at the Sōtapanna stage.”

      I have two questions:
      1) I have seen this claim that Thina middha goes away at Sotapanna only from you so far. Do you have a source or some more information on it?
      2) Even a Sotapanna must have some laziness or drowsiness, right? So, Thina middha must be more than laziness, if it disappears at the Sotapanna stage. Is “laziness” (seeking a certain comfort, physical inertia) included in Kamacchanda?

    • #35374
      Lal
      Keymaster

      First, PLEASE provide a link to the post that you refer to. I believe the following is the post that you refer to:
      Key to Calming the Mind – The Five Hindrances

      “1) I have seen this claim that Thina middha goes away at Sotapanna only from you so far. Do you have a source or some more information on it?”

      You have not seen it discussed like that because most people do not know enough Dhamma to realize that. There may not be a Tipitaka reference for each and every issue. There are some things we can deduce based on other related evidence.

      “2) Even a Sotapanna must have some laziness or drowsiness, right?”
      – Your question is based on the assumption that thina middha means laziness/drowsiness. That is not so. Please read #9 in the post in question.

      I will try to expand on the above post to provide more info, probably after I finish the next planned post.

    • #35423
      Lal
      Keymaster

      After thinking about it, I think it may be a good idea to have a separate post on five hindrances within the new series of posts on “Basic Framework of Buddha Dhamma

      But the main point is that “thina middha” is a hindrance.
      – On the other hand, thina and middha are TWO SEPARATE cetasika (mental factors).
      – When they appear TOGETHER, that is a hindrance to comprehending Dhamma.

      The same is true for uddhacca kukkucca.

      I have revised the post, “Key to Calming the Mind – The Five Hindrances” but will provide more details in upcoming posts.

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