April 28, 2019 at 1:59 pm #22714sybe07Spectator
This refers to the post:
In that post under point 10 it is said:
-Both vaci and kāya abhisankhāra can lead to rebirth.
-Manō sankhāra — which arise automatically — do not lead to rebirths.
When i read this post and this fragment a sutta in Samyutta Nikāya came to mind:
In this sutta it is said that intentions and plans, probably vaci sankhara’s, become a support for the continuation of consciousness. There is rebirth in a new state in the future when this consciousness is established and grows.
This is also true when there are still underlying tendencies. I think those tendencies also represent a kind of volition or intention although less conscious.
Are those underlying tendencies when they start to become active a kind of mano sankhara and do they evolve to vaci sankhara?
If so, are they as mano sankhara not able to cause rebirth?
Does an underlying tendency have to become active (stimulated by a sense-input) to cause rebirth, or is just the presence of an underlying tendency (anusaya) sufficient condition to cause rebirth?
April 28, 2019 at 8:35 pm #22716LalKeymaster
“Are those underlying tendencies when they start to become active a kind of mano sankhara and do they evolve to vaci sankhara?”
– Those underlying tendencies are in one’s gati, asava/anusaya. Based on a sense input trigger, they could be “re-awakened” and arise as mano sankhara automatically. Then one may start consciously thinking about it (vaci sankhara), and even may do bodily actions (kaya sankhara). If one is mindful, one could stop those vaci sankhara.
“If so, are they as mano sankhara not able to cause rebirth?”
– As explained above, those gati and asava/anusaya are strengthened not by mano sankhara, but by subsequent vaci/kaya sankhara.
“Does an underlying tendency have to become active (stimulated by a sense-input) to cause rebirth, or is just the presence of an underlying tendency (anusaya) sufficient condition to cause rebirth?”
– Yes. An underlying tendency (gati, asava/anusaya) have to become active (stimulated by a sense-input) to cause rebirth. However, a particular gati, asava/anusaya is triggered by a kamma vipaka at the moment of death (or more accurately at the cuti-patisandhi moment).
More details at: “Dhamma, Sankhara, Sankata, Rupa, Vinnana, Gati, Asava, Anusaya“
April 29, 2019 at 3:53 am #22719sybe07Spectator
Thanks Lal, it is clear to me.
Glad you are back. Wish you a good recovery.
April 29, 2019 at 11:46 am #22723TienParticipant
Hi Lal, about the current state of science development regarding the mind.
There seems a trend that some researchers slowly acknowledge about the continue existence of the mind after clinical death, here is one of the videos:
The minority of the scientists seem to arrive at the tip of the iceberg as of now.
April 29, 2019 at 3:21 pm #22724LalKeymaster
Yes. The death of the physical body is not the end of a human being. The “mental body” or the gandhabba comes out and waits for another womb. That is part of the rebirth process.
Sometimes, as mentioned in the video, gandhabba goes back into the body and the body comes alive. There is a lot a evidence for such Near-Death Experiences (NDE). Some are discussed in, “Manomaya Kaya and Out-of-Body Experience (OBE)“.
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