Question about post Dhamma and Dhammā – Different but Related

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    • #41924
      Tobi-Wan Kenobi

      Hallo Lal.

      Lal wrote.

      Dhamma and Dhammā – Different but Related

      Dhammā means to “bear or give rise to things in this world,” and Dhamma explains how. Buddha Dhamma explains how such dhammās arise and how to stop them from arising.

      December 30, 2022

      At the end of your post/Side…>>>>

      All types of “secondary dhammā” (discussed in #8, #9) arise via the main type of dhammā (kammic energy, bhava, kamma bija) created in Paṭicca Samuppāda (PS) processes. These are the dhammā that bring vipāka via, “manañca paṭicca dhammē ca uppajjāti manō viññāṇaṃ.” These kammic energies are created in javana cittās with abhisaṅkhāra.


      • “manañca paṭicca dhammē ca uppajjāti manō viññāṇaṃ.”

      And i understand here “Because of mind and Dhamma, consciousness is born“. Or more precisely ” Mind and the breeding ground Dhamma lead to the birth of consciousness ” It follows from this……..”These kammic energies are changed in javana cittās with abhisaṅkhāra.

      Change not creation!

      My thinking about that!

      When the contaminated consciousness can be compared to a filthy lake/pond and one can only cleanse the pond (viññāṇa) by always adding clear water (clear water = Dhamma or dhammā). Then it is a replacement and not a new creation.

      So that’s how I understand it.

      Since consciousness (viññāṇa), which has already arisen through birth (jāti), generates (so here I abbreviate without the mechanism with ārammaṇa, PS etc.) Mano saṅkhāra, which leads to the release of dhammā in Hadaya Vatthu. This dhammā is transformed into kammic energy in consciousness (Viññāṇa) with Abisankhāra. It’s a loop.


      BR Tobi

    • #41927

      Hello Tobi,

      Consciousness (vinnana) is many types. But they can be divided into TWO main types.

      1. Awareness (Consciousness)

      You become aware of a rupa (say, a tree) when you look at it. That is cakkhu vinnana (eye consciousness). When you become aware of a sound, that is sota vinnana (ear consciousness), etc. The sixth is mano vinnana, where you become aware of a past event (memory). That last happens via “manañca paṭicca dhammē ca uppajjāti manō viññāṇaṃ.” The first one happens via“cakkhuñca paṭicca rupē ca uppajjāti cakkhu viññāṇaṃ.”

      Those are vipaka vinnana (of six types.) We cannot avoid them while we live.

      2. Creating a Mind (rebirth consciousness or patisandhi vinnana) for a new existence (in the rebirth process)

      This happens at the end of current existence (say, Deva) and grasping a new existence (say, human).

      This happens via “upadana paccaya bhava” and “bhava paccaya jati” steps in Uppatti Paticca Samuppada. This also involves a dhammā

      • However, this dhammā differs from dhammā in recalling a memory in #1 above. This dhammā is a STRONG kamma bija that can lead to rebirth.
      • These are kamma vinnana.

      EXCEPTION: There are not so strong dhammā that can bring vipaka vinnana during life. These are more than memories. Memories don’t have kammic energy. These also belong to #1 above.

      See “Viññāṇa – Consciousness Together With Future Expectations.” see #3.

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