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    • #33101
      Tobias G
      Participant

      Please see the post Kukkuravatika Sutta (Majjhima Nikāya 57) – Kammakkhaya.

      #11: “... Being touched by such contacts, he feels sukha and dukha feelings interchangeably, as in human, deva, and vinipatika realms. ...!

      The vinipatika realm is the asura realm or realm No. 4, right? So interesting to see a reason to be born there.

    • #33102
      Lal
      Keymaster

      I think this refers to the vinipatika devas, not vinipatika asuras in apaya.
      – I will make it clear in the post. Thanks!

    • #33106
      Tobias G
      Participant

      What does “vinipatika” mean? The word “vinipāta” means “a place of suffering or bad falling” according to this dictionary: https://glosbe.com/pi/en

      In which realm are vinipatika deva? Cannot find it in the table?

    • #33108
      Lal
      Keymaster

      OK. You are right. I was in a hurry and made a mistake.

      Vinipatika means apayas or the four lowest realms.
      – I got confused between “vinipatika” and “asura”.
      – There are two types of asura, one being “asura deva” (who go into wars with other devas) and the other “vinipatika asura” who belong to the apayas.

      In that verse, it basically says when one gets attached to sensory pleasures one can be born in the kama loka (4 realms of vinipata or apaya, human, and 6 Deva realms).

      I just revised #11.

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