April 29, 2021 at 2:36 am #34314Tobias GParticipant
Bhava – Kammic Energy That Can Power an Existence
“...As we can see, the required kammic energy is created by the mind itself. That is quite clear in the cases of rupa bhava and arupa bhava where the corresponding jhāna cittā produce that energy. …”
Is there any reference in Abhidhamma that jhana citta produce energy for rupa or arupa bhava? I thought all those energies are created by javana citta.
April 29, 2021 at 2:42 am #34315Tobias GParticipant
See also post on Citta Vīthi – Processing of Sense Inputs
“4. But in a jhāna samāpatti, a single manōdvāra citta vīthi goes on uninterrupted for long times, with javana citta arising unceasingly :
B B B B B “BC BU MD J J J J J J J J J J J ………..
Thus there is no way to get back to the bhavaṅga state, or for a pañcadvāra citta vīthi or another manōdvāra citta vīthi to arise, and one becomes unaware of what happens in the outside world. Before getting into the samāpatti, one makes a determination on how long to stay in the samāpatti.
This is why the real power of javana citta can be truly displayed by people who can get into jhāna samāpatti. …”
See also post on Javana of a Citta – The Root of Mental Power
#1: “..Such javana cittā are responsible for abhisaṅkhāra, those saṅkhāra that are potent and will lead to (good or bad) consequences. Punnabhisaṅkhāra are the meritorious abhisaṅkhāra that will lead to good results, and apuññābhisaṅkhāra are the immoral abhisaṅkhāra that lead to adverse outcomes. ..”
April 29, 2021 at 6:48 am #34318LalKeymaster
The point is that jhana citta is a type of a javana citta.
We do “bad kamma” (that lead to births in bad realms) and “mundane good kamma” (that lead to births in good realms) with javana citta.
– Jhana citta are a part of “mundane good kamma” because they also lead to births in “good realms”, i.e., Brahma realms.
We do lokottara kusala kamma (that lead to Nibbana) also with javana citta.
P.S. All “kammic energies” are produced in javana citta.
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