[TripleGemStudent]

SN 16.7: Dutiyaovādasutta – Mahāsaṅgīti Tipiṭaka Buddhavasse 2500 (suttacentral.net)

‘na santi bhikkhū ovādakā’ti, bhante, parihānametaṁ.

Translated as: 

“When there are no mendicant advisers there is decline.”

 – If the translation is mostly accurate / correct. Who are the mendicant advisers being referred to in the translation or the sutta? I believe it would be the Buddha and Arahants. What about sotapannas? 

[SengKiat]

Greetings! TripleGemStudent,

‘na santi bhikkhū ovādakā’ti, bhante, parihānametaṁ.
Translated as: 
“When there are no calm bhikkhus‘ advisers, bhante, there is decline.”

These calm bhikkhus (ordained monks) are the Sotāpanna and above but does not include the Buddha (bhante).

The Sutta is a dialog between Venerable Mahākassapa and Buddha.

With mettā, Seng Kiat

[Lal]

Sometimes “santi” is used to express “there are.”

See, for example, “Suddhika Sutta (SN 31.1)“

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[TripleGemStudent]

Thank you both Sengkiat and Lal for your insights and assistance! If both of you don’t mind, I’ll be requesting more of it in the future and thank you both in advance.

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