Reply To: Udāyī Sutta SN 35.234

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Lal
Keymaster

The translation of that verse there is: “If the cause and reason that gives rise to eye consciousness were to totally and utterly cease without anything left over, would eye consciousness still be found?”

  • Yes. It is right. 
  • If cakkhu (“cakkhayatana”) ceases and becomes “cakkhu indriya” and rupa (“rupayatana”) ceases and becomes a true representation of the external rupa (as is the case for an Arahant), then cakkhu viññāṇa (“a defiled seeing”) will cease and one will only have “pure eye-consciousness” left (without any illusions or sanna vipallasa). 
  • This is what I have been trying to explain for more than a year about “distorted sanna.”
  • The tricky point is that even an Arahant will see a beautiful woman as beautiful. That is because all human bodies (both physical and mental) arise (via Paticca Samuppada) to present that “distorted sanna.” But since Arahants have fully comprehended that “distorted nature,” their minds will not be attached to it. The same thing holds for other sensory faculties. In another example, honey will taste sweet for Arahants, but their minds will not attach to it even at the first moment (in the purana kamma stage). See “Purāna and Nava Kamma – Sequence of Kamma Generation.”

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Yes. I will revise that post. 

P.S. I revised #1 of the post Contact Between Āyatana Leads to Vipāka Viññāna.” As mentioned there, the difference between indriya and ayatana is explained in How Do Sense Faculties Become Internal Āyatana?

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