Reply To: “Upadana” for Dhamma — Waharaka Thero sermon


Jorg: Can you give the time on the video where “tanha and upadanaare mentioned regarding the Kusala-Mula PS? 

You asked, “Is he referring to pasāda and adhimokkha as described in the kusala-mula PS?”

  • He must be. May be the translator made a mistake. I don’t think Waharaka Thero would.

Yes. LDM’s comments are correct too. 

  • Even in the Kusala-Mula PS, the sense faculties must be used as “āyatana” and not just sense faculties. If only sense faculties are used, there is no CONSCIOUS thinking involved.

The process is explained in “Kusala-Mula Paṭicca Samuppāda.”

  • In #5: ““kusala-mūla paccayā saṅkhāro, saṅkhāra paccayā viññāṇaṃ, viññāṇa paccayā nāmarupaṃ, nāmarupa paccayā salāyatanaṃ, salāyatana paccayā phasso, phassa paccayā vedanā, vedanā paccayā pasādo, pasāda paccayā adhimokkho, adhimokkha paccayā bhavo, bhava paccayā jāti, jāti paccayā jarā maraṇaṃ. Evametesaṃ dhammānaṃ samudayo hoti.

P.S. May 6, 2023: I have revised the post “Kusala-Mula Paṭicca Samuppāda” to add #6 as below.

6. In the above verse, “dhammānaṃ samudayo hoti” refers to four types of “special dhammā that arise due to the Kusala-Mūla PS process.  

  • As we discussed in the post, “What are Rūpa? – Dhammā are Rūpa too!dhammā means “to bear things in this world.” When one cultivates the Noble Path as an Ariya (Noble Person), one attains four stages magga phala: Sotapanna, Sakadāgāmi, Anāgāmi, and Arahant
  • Dhammā referred to in the above verse are those that “bear” those four magga phala.