Reply To: Kukkuravatika Sutta (Majjhima Nikāya 57) – Kammakkhaya

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Tobias,

Thank you for this but which Sutta are you referring to (quoting Lal) ?

The question here is: does this sukkhita abhisaṅkhara lead to the subhakinha deva realm irrespective if done with comprehension of Tilakkhana or not? Or, better said, does one have to have attained magga phala to generate this sukkhita abhisaṅkhara? Or, does one return or not?

I ask this because another sutta AN 7.52:lists the various realms to be attained by the practice of dana depending on the motive:- Questions About Puredhamma Posts › Jhana and magga pala –

February 9, 2018 at 7:57 am: ‘After the first six motives of Dana with their particular rewards in the 6 realms immediately above the human one are enumerated by the Self-Perfected One, He states the seventh motive to be : ‘with the thought: this is an ornament for the mind, a support for the mind’ – cittalankaracittaparikkharam- leading after death first to the realm of the retinue of Brahma and to Anagami after that.’…to which Lal replies: February 9, 2018 at 5:00 pm: “There are many suttas such as the one you quoted (which I had not read), where it is shown that magga phala can be attained without going through any jhana….But this sutta is interesting in that it says Anagami stage is possible by alms giving or making offerings (dana)….
On the surface it appears that one may not need to have a comprehension of Tilakkhana or the Four Noble Truths in order to attain the Anagami stage” and February 10, 2018 at 8:41 am : “Exactly how one can get to the Anagami stage by dana or giving. It is not just the act of giving. One has to have the right mindset, and that comes from grasping Tilakkhana;”

Does this apply to sukkhita abhisaṅkhara?

Metta