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April 1, 2024 at 7:11 am #48825Tobias GParticipant
Please see #1 in Kāma Guṇa – Origin of Attachment (Tanhā):
…we first categorized vedanā into two types: vipāka vedanā (sukha, dukkha, and adukkhamasukha vedanā) and samphassa-jā-vedanā (somanassa and domanassa vedanā.) The latter category is mind-made and absent in Arahants.
- Sukha and dukkha vedanā are felt ONLY in the physical body; they are sārīrika vedanā (“sārīra” means “physical body.”) Sārīrika vedanā can also be “neutral” or adukkhamasukha vedanā.
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Is it correct that one writes duk(k)ha vedanā with two k when it relates to physical pain? My understanding is that physical suffering is dukha and the suffering from which we can free ourselves with Buddha Dhamma is written dukkha.
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April 1, 2024 at 8:06 am #48826LalKeymaster
“Is it correct that one writes duk(k)ha vedanā with two k when it relates to physical pain? My understanding is that physical suffering is dukha and the suffering from which we can free ourselves with Buddha Dhamma is written dukkha.”
- Yes. That is correct.
Dukha and sukha vedana are felt by the physical body (“sārīra.”) Dukha vedana is usually written as dukkha vedana, per your explanation.
- adukkhamasukha vedanā comes from “adukkha asukha” (rhymes like “adukkhamasukha”) or “not painful or pleasant.”
- All other vedana (somanassa and domanassa) are mind-made. Pleasant ones are somanassa, and unpleasant ones are domanassa.
- For example, the sight of an attractive person provides only an adukkhamasukha vedanā. However, due to “distorted sanna,” the mind generates a somanassa vedana. For example, animals don’t see any beauty in a woman. They become joyful when they see whoever takes care of them.
- The same holds for sounds, tastes, smells, etc. As we discussed, we don’t like the taste or smell of rotten meat, but pigs like them.
- However, physical pain is common to all. It is real and not “mind-made.” Of course, on top of that, we may generate additional domanassa vedana!
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April 5, 2024 at 10:44 am #49303JittanantoParticipant
Jhāna – There Is No Separate Category of “Ariya Jhāna”
“8. Anāgāmis who have “burned” kāma rāga saṁyojana and thus permanently severed their connection to kāma loka will be reborn in five realms RESERVED for them: Aviha, Atappa, Sudassa, Sudassi, and Akanittakha. These realms are called “Suddhāvāsa” or “pure abodes.” See a description in the “Saṅgīti Sutta (DN 33)” starting with “Pañca suddhāvāsā—avihā, atappā, sudassā, sudassī, akaniṭṭhā.”
- So is it correct to say that an Anagami cannot be reborn in the arupa loka? I mean even if he has Arupa Ragā left.
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April 5, 2024 at 11:08 am #49307LalKeymaster
Those five realms are in “rupa loka.” I just revised #8 to say that specifically:
“8. Anāgāmis who have “burned” kāma rāga saṁyojana and thus permanently severed their connection to kāma loka will be reborn in five realms in rupa loka RESERVED for them: Aviha, Atappa, Sudassa, Sudassi, and Akanittakha. These realms are called “Suddhāvāsa” or “pure abodes.” See a description in the “Saṅgīti Sutta (DN 33)” starting with “Pañca suddhāvāsā—avihā, atappā, sudassā, sudassī, akaniṭṭhā.”
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August 13, 2024 at 6:19 am #51365dosakkhayoParticipant
Please see #15 second bullet in Kāma Guṇa – Origin of Attachment (Tanhā)
It is a minor issue.
- Therefore, the next step of generating kāma saṅkappa and getting to the “bahidda viññāna” stage does not occur for an Arahant.
I think it should be ajjhatta vinnana instead of bahidda vinnana.
with metta.
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August 13, 2024 at 6:36 am #51368LalKeymaster
Yes. Thank you! I just corrected it.
- Small unintentional errors like that can cause confusion. So, please make sure to point those out. That will help avoid confusion. Much merits to Dosakkhayo!
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