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July 8, 2024 at 12:44 am #50766dosakkhayoParticipant
This is a question from someone who is studying Pure Dhamma with me. When the manomaya kaya gives commands to the physical body, does the hadaya vatthu generate suddhatthaka, which then signals the physical body? I would like to know how the manomaya kaya gives commands to the physical body. Thank you.
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July 8, 2024 at 6:19 am #50771LalKeymaster
Hadaya vatthu can generate suddhatthaka and also kammic energies below the suddhatthaka level (dhammā.)
- Those at or above the suddhatthaka level are released to the physical world as utuja rupa while javana cittas arise.
- Those below the suddhatthaka level are released to vinnana dhatu as dhammā while javana cittas arise. Then such kammic energies (dhammā) stay in vinnana dhatu until their vipakas are brought; they decay with time, and some become nullified without bringing vipaka.
Regarding the question: “I would like to know how the manomaya kaya gives commands to the physical body.”
- The manomaya kaya has a blueprint of the physical body. The physical body grows according to that blueprint. As the physical body grows, manomaya kaya (also called a “kirana kaya” because it is a subtle body, essentially the gandhabba) also “expands.” The brain in the physical body overlaps “the brain” in the manomaya kaya and transfers the processed information on sensory inputs to the manomaya kaya. The hadaya vatthu gets that information via the manomaya kaya.
- It would be the reverse process when the hadaya vatthu sends commands to the brain, for example, to move body parts.
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July 8, 2024 at 11:36 pm #50788dosakkhayoParticipant
In the process of sending commands to the brain, does the arising of suddhatthaka at the hadaya vatthu always occur, or does it only happen when the mind is defiled? For example, in the case of an Arahant, since javana citta cannot arise, does this mean that no suddhatthaka arises at all even when they move their body?”
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July 9, 2024 at 6:06 am #50790LalKeymaster
We are concerned about suddhatthaka or dhammā generation that happens with javana citta in a defiled mind. So, it should not occur for an Arahant.
- However, it is possible that suddhatthaka generation may occur via other mechanisms. I am not sure about that. The Buddha described things only relevant to the issue of suffering.
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July 9, 2024 at 9:14 am #50796dosakkhayoParticipant
Alright. I understand that it is an acinteyya topic.
I have a slightly different question: Is the continuous generation of utuja kaya through javana citta essential for the maintenance of the physical body? Or is the maintenance of the physical body operated by a separate mechanism?
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July 9, 2024 at 9:34 am #50797LalKeymaster
Maintenance of the physical body (and the manomaya kaya) is by kammic energy.
- Generation of the utuja kaya is an automatic process associated with any manomaya kaya/physical body.
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July 9, 2024 at 10:58 am #50799dosakkhayoParticipant
Thank you for the answer! It really helped me!
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