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Vb 17

Tattha katamā tisso taṇhā? Kāmataṇhā, bhavataṇhā, vibhavataṇhā.

  • Bhavadiṭṭhisahagato rāgo sārāgo cittassa sārāgo—ayaṁ vuccati “bhavataṇhā”.
  • Ucchedadiṭṭhisahagato rāgo sārāgo cittassa sārāgo—ayaṁ vuccati “vibhavataṇhā”. Avasesā taṇhā kāmataṇhā.
  • Kāmadhātupaṭisaṁyutto rāgo sārāgo cittassa sārāgo—ayaṁ vuccati “kāmataṇhā”.
  • Rūpadhātuarūpadhātupaṭisaṁyutto rāgo sārāgo cittassa sārāgo—ayaṁ vuccati “bhavataṇhā”.
  • Ucchedadiṭṭhisahagato rāgo sārāgo cittassa sārāgo—ayaṁ vuccati “vibhavataṇhā”. Imā tisso taṇhā.

Tattha katamā aparāpi tisso taṇhā? Kāmataṇhā, rūpataṇhā, arūpataṇhā.

  • Kāmadhātupaṭisaṁyutto rāgo sārāgo cittassa sārāgo—ayaṁ vuccati “kāmataṇhā”.
  • Rūpadhātupaṭisaṁyutto rāgo sārāgo cittassa sārāgo—ayaṁ vuccati “rūpataṇhā”.
  • Arūpadhātupaṭisaṁyutto rāgo sārāgo cittassa sārāgo—ayaṁ vuccati “arūpataṇhā”. Imā tisso taṇhā.

Tattha katamā aparāpi tisso taṇhā? Rūpataṇhā, arūpataṇhā, nirodhataṇhā.

  • Rūpadhātupaṭisaṁyutto rāgo sārāgo cittassa sārāgo—ayaṁ vuccati “rūpataṇhā”.
  • Arūpadhātupaṭisaṁyutto rāgo sārāgo cittassa sārāgo—ayaṁ vuccati “arūpataṇhā”.
  • Ucchedadiṭṭhisahagato rāgo sārāgo cittassa sārāgo—ayaṁ vuccati “nirodhataṇhā”. Imā tisso taṇhā.

Based on this information, we can understand the following:

bhavataṇhā

  • Related to bhavadiṭṭhi.
  • Concerned with being reborn in the rupa or arupa dhatu.
  • Similar to the combination of rūpataṇhā and arūpataṇhā.

vibhavataṇhā

  • Related to ucchedadiṭṭhi.
  • Similar to nirodhataṇhā.

If a Sotāpanna eliminates ucchedadiṭṭhi, and thus vibhavataṇhā is removed at the Sotāpanna stage, why isn’t bhavataṇhā eliminated as well? Isn’t a Sotāpanna attained by eliminating all diṭṭhis? What is bhavadiṭṭhi? Is it unrelated to sakkaya ditthi? Also, if there are any important points that can be found in this Vibhanga material, I would appreciate it if you could share them. Thank you.