Reply To: Discussion on “Cultivating Jhāna and Magga Phala – What Is the Difference?”

#50685
Waisaka
Participant

Yes. When one contemplates Dhamma concepts, one’s wisdom (panna) grows, and defilements gradually decrease. That is “Vipassana meditation.”

  • That change can manifest in bodily feelings. I have experienced these effects and still do. They can get very intense before wearing out. Once one gets close to higher magga phala (above the Anagami stage), these “bodily sensations” should diminish. Then, they should become more of “mental joy” without bodily sensations.
  • This is why many people are fooled by such “bodily feelings.” I have heard many people describe Jhanic experiences in various Sri Lankan programs. A common theme is that they are overjoyed by such “bodily sensations” and believe it is “Nibbanic sukha.” Most of them likely experience “anariaya jhana” even though they engage in contemplating anicca, dukkha, anatta. As I emphasize, even the first Ariya jhana can be experienced only by an Anagami, because kama raga anusaya must be removed to get to the first Ariya jhana. Unlike the Sotapanna stage, confirming the attainment of the Anagami stage is easy: Just watch an adult or X-rated movie and check whether lust does not arise!
  • Nibbana sukha” is without feelings. It is the absence of any stress.

Hi Lal..

     I highlighted NO PRESSURE, as you mentioned..

     That’s what I felt, before reading your writing about puredhamma, I already felt, when I read your writing I felt like I had found a knot to destroy the shackles of sakadagami, anagami, perhaps Arahant…

     I can’t explain it in words, but without the pressure you mean, I seem to understand, and that’s how I feel.

     I can only make an analogy, like a person who is free from being chased by a debt collector who has trapped him all his life, it’s really a relief, it’s like being free from a cage. 

     This effect started when I observed the 5 precepts, and increased when I understood anicca, dukkha, anatta, silabattaparamasa, vicikiccha. (before reading puredhamma). 

     After reading tilakkhana and anapanasati in puredhamma, everything becomes clearer and connected to each other (releasing the shackles of kammaraga). 

     And since then, I can no longer harm ants and mosquitoes, not because of compulsion but because of the wisdom that these things are not very useful. 

     Therefore, a few days ago I created a thread “Can Nibbana only be felt, not imagined?”

     Perhaps I would venture to assume that I am already at the Sottapanna anugami stage. 

     I still have a sexual appetite and am still a bit lazy about formal meditation, I’m not yet 30 years old, sometimes I get physically sick because I don’t Release sperm (sorry), but I don’t really want to masturbate anymore, sometimes I have to do it because my body hurts. 

     I’m not picky about eating as long as it’s appropriate, my clothes are simple, the important thing is neat and polite, I don’t use hair or body perfume, everything is simple and I think it reduces my attachment and makes me much more relaxed. 

     and maybe that’s why I easily enter samadhi, even when driving a vehicle I can enter samadhi (voices outside are still heard, but it feels separate) all of this is based on the understanding of futility and brings attachment.. 😊 🙏

1 user thanked author for this post.