Reply To: Mindfulness Flow(Fluidity) & Indrya Bhavana


Lal, Another similar question,

When We say something is pleasurable, delightful, good, beautiful etc, those are due to sukha vēdanā,
Opposite conclusions are derived based on dukha vēdanā.

However, Recently during contemplate it occured to me, that kama guna, vipakā vēdanā and samphassa-jā-vēdanā all three are PURELY SUBJECTIVE AND CONDITIONAL right?

There is no object for which all beings have niccā saññā. (So, there is no universal kama guna in any objects.) For example, devata might be disgusted with body (that might be appealing to lot of humans.)

There is no object similarly for which all beings have sukha vipaka vedana upon phassa.
(For example, same pizza might seem tasty to young person, but, might not appeal to old person with declined taste faculty.)

Samphassa-jā-vēdanā is obviously again both subjective (due to gathi of that being) and conditional (Paṭicca Samuppāda).

So, in summary everything experienced is subjective and conditional and unique to that lifestream.

Which you have said in some post, that pañcakKhanda and PañcaUpādānaKhandha both are unique to that lifestream.)


Question about which I am confused is that,
You said somewhere that even Arhant might “recognise” beautiful women as beautiful women.

I don’t understand this.

Because, not all objects are pleasent to everyone, if particular object seem pleasent that is because of GATHI in addition to conditions between external and internal Rūpa.

However, Arhant has no gathi,
In addition he has complete Aniccā saññā,

How can he come to such conclusion based on contact with such rupa through eyes, if he has no gathi?