Reply To: Post on “Jāti – Different Types of Births”


Yes. This is a bit complex for human and animal jati, as I tried to explain in that post.

1. For Brahmas and Devas, it is simple. As explained in #5, “bhava paccaya jati” leads to just one type of jati. Then “jati paccaya jara, marana” is the end of that jati (birth) as a Brahma/Deva.

2. For humans and animals, there are “jati” within “jati.” In #6 and #7, I explained that process for humans.
– First, “bhava paccaya jati” leads to birth (jati) as a human gandhabba.
– That gandhabba is then “born with a physical human body” many times. That is the “khandhānaṃ pātubhāvo” stage, as stated in #6:
“(v) When all body parts are formed that is the khandhānaṃ pātubhāvo stage and a baby then comes out of the womb. That last stage is what we commonly call a “birth.””
– That process can happen many times for that human gandhabba.
– The “jati paccya jara,marana..” step in Paticca Samuppada refers to the death of the gandhabba.

3. Of course, “jati paccya jara,marana..” step also happens to a birth with a physical human body too. That can be called “type 2 jati” where the gandhabba is born with a physical human body. After the death of that physical body, the same gandhabba can be born with different physical bodies many times.
– Thus, there will be many such “type 2 jara, marana..” for physical bodies acquired by the same gandhabba.
– But the human existence ends only with the death of the gandhabba.

Please feel free to ask questions.
– Again, those additional steps are there mostly for humans and animals only.