Reply To: Sangitisutta DN 33


Thanks for posting this sutta, y not.
It is an important short sutta that actually explains what sakkāya ditthi is.

The following is my translation of the sutta. The Pali version is “Catut­tha­abhab­baṭ­ṭhāna Sutta (AN 6.95)“.

“A Sotapanna (or one with higher magga phala) accomplished in view (diṭṭhisampanno puggalo) is unable (abhabbo) to fall back on the idea that pleasure and pain are made by oneself (sayaṃkataṃ), or that they’re made by another (paraṃkataṃ), or that they’re made by both (sayaṃkatañca paraṃkatañca). Nor can they fall back on the idea that pleasure and pain arise by chance, not made by oneself, by another, or by both (asayaṃkāraṃ adhiccasamuppannaṃ, aparaṅkāraṃ adhiccasamuppannaṃ, asayaṅkārañca aparaṅkārañca adhiccasamuppannaṃ).
Why is that? It is because a person accomplished in view has clearly seen that phenomena arise due to causes and conditions (according to Paticca Samuppāda). Those are the six things that a Sotapanna (or one with higher magga phala) accomplished in view will not fall back to”.

This is exactly what we have been discussing in the most recent posts and the one I will be posting in a few days about Sakkāya Ditthi:
1. There is no “attā” or a “soul” or an “ātma” doing those things.
2. Those kamma vipāka (pleasure or pain ) materialize due to two things:
– Causes were created in the past based on the “gati” of the lifestream AT THAT TIME.
– And those vipāka materialized when suitable CONDITIONS were present (at a later time).
– That process is described by Paticca Samuppāda.
3. This is why understanding “gati” is so important. One may have had “bad gati” in the past and those can bring “bad vipāka” now EVEN IF one has “good gati” now.
This is why even the Buddha had to bear bad kamma vipāka. Even though he had “no gati left”, he had to endure the results of past kamma done when he had “bad gati”.

If one can clearly understand this, one has removed or at least getting close to removing sakkāya ditthi.

Recent relevant posts:
Anattā in Anattalakkahana Sutta – No Soul or an Ātma

Yamaka Sutta (SN 22.85) – Arahanthood Is Not Annihilation but End of Suffering

Idappaccayatā Paticca Samuppāda and “uppatti Paticca Samuppada” in that section.

Kamma are Done with Sankhāra – Types of Sankhāra

This will become even more clear (hopefully) with the upcoming post on sakkāya ditthi.