Reply To: Attitude towards kamaloka devas

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Thank you Mahendran,

I am finding difficulty understanding how it is still not clear to you, especially after Lal’s comprehensive explanation.

“why should we refer to them and say may I be able to develop the characteristics of Devas ”

I will try to re-phrase, perhaps it will help.

The qualities of the devas, or those that they had developed, mainly dana and sila, are IN THEMSELVES worthy to pursue, to develop and to ingrain into one’s gati. For one thing,they lead to good births. For another, IN TIME, to Nibbana. They constitute ‘the basics’. But just because one practices those deva qualities does not make one or any deva in any way ‘holy’ on that account. Other necessary qualities are to a large extent still absent in them, mostly wisdom (panna). That is why at times they relapse into unwholesome acts with humans.

For that reason they are not worthy of worship or adoration of any kind; and that goes too for devas WITH magga phala – what to say of those without. And that is also why one should not place too much importance on these ‘contacts’ with devas; anything that comes of such ‘contacts’, is,for better or for worse, at best temporary and to limited effect.

Better the few words of an Ariya here in the human realm, even of One with lower magga phala, understood, accepted and acted upon ; that leads in time to the cessation of all suffering, to happiness, to Nibbana, beyond the realms of devas and of brahmas. And you are here now in such a position. You have earned that right. I urge you to make the most of it.

If still it remains not clear to you, I will try again, although I cannot see now how I can go any further. Others may.

with Metta