The Gandhabba and Dementia

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    • #55411
      abid
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      People with dementia slowly lose all their memories and even lose proper functioning. But after contemplating Buddha Dhamma, I’ve made a strange connection.

      Some people with dementia have a brief moment of lucidity before dying and they reportedly recall all their memories and become functional again. Even recognising people, and being able to speak again.

      This must be similar to OBE reports of people who were blind being able to see. It must be the gandhabba. Making these connections is reinforcing my confidence in Buddha Dhamma

      I would like to see ven. Lal making a post on this phenomena in people with dementia

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    • #55412
      abid
      Participant

      By the way, this phenomena is called “terminal lucidity” for anyone who wants to look deeper into it. Search for “dementia terminal lucidity”

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    • #55420
      Lal
      Keymaster

      Sorry. I have not had much time to think about it as I am traveling. I just did a search to find more about it.

       

      • Dementia typically begins with subtle symptoms that develop slowly and gradually worsen over several years, progressing through stages from mild cognitive impairment to severe decline. Early signs often include memory lapses, difficulty concentrating, or challenges with familiar tasks, which may go unnoticed at first.
      • Have you done any medical screening to confirm? It could be due to memory loss or to other factors affecting attention.
      • I will think about it a bit more and post some comments later.
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    • #55421
      abid
      Participant

      Sorry. I have not had much time to think about it as I am traveling. I just did a search to find more about it.

       

      • Dementia typically begins with subtle symptoms that develop slowly and gradually worsen over several years, progressing through stages from mild cognitive impairment to severe decline. Early signs often include memory lapses, difficulty concentrating, or challenges with familiar tasks, which may go unnoticed at first.
      • Have you done any medical screening to confirm? It could be due to memory loss or to other factors affecting attention.
      • I will think about it a bit more and post some comments later.

      Yes, dementia progresses to the point where one is totally unable to function. Which means forgetting everything, struggling to eat, use bathroom, failing to recognise and remember people even close family, being unable to talk etc.
      It is hard to identify in the early stages like you said because those symptoms can be due to many causes, and not only dementia.

      The interesting part is that when dementia patients are close to dying at late stage dementia, they experience “terminal lucidity” where they suddenly regain their abilities they lost even after the massive brain damage that has occurred. For example, They can go from previously non verbal to speaking again and also recollect all the memories they lost briefly. 

      This phenomena must have an explanation rooted in the Buddha Dhamma and I think it’s related to the gandhabba but there must be a deeper explanation. It has a little similarity to NDEs and OBEs I think

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    • #55422
      Lal
      Keymaster

      1. As Abid stated, it is critical to understand the roles of the gandhabba (our mental body), the physical body, and the brain (which serves as the bridge between the mental body and the physical body).

      • The mental body is more important than the physical body in the long term. A human gandhabba born at the cuti-patisandhi moment can live for hundreds to thousands of years. Within a given “human bhava,” there can be many repeated births as a human with a human body; see “Bhava and Jāti – States of Existence and Births Therein.”
      • On the other hand, it is important to keep the physical body healthy to understand Buddha’s teachings and to make progress toward Nibbana in this life. Thus, it is critically important to eat healthy and exercise regularly to maintain a healthy physical body.

      2. A vital part of the physical body is the brain. The mental body receives sensory information from the external world through the brain. For example, visual information comes into the physical body via the eyes and are processed by the brain before being sent to the mental body (gandhabba).

      • We can think of the gandhabba being trapped inside the physical body. It is completely shielded from the external world by the physical body. All information from the external world enters the physical body through the six ‘doors’: eyes, ears, nose, tongue, the nerves of the physical body, and an organ in the brain (unknown to science yet) that receives our memories stored in the vinnana dhatu
      • All those signals are first processed by the brain to convert them to types of signals that the seat of the mind (hadaya vatthu) located in the gandhabba.
      • Thus, if the brain does not function properly, the gandhabba would not fully ‘experience the external world.’ 
      • This is why it is critically important to keep the physical body and the brain in good condition!

      3. The brain consumes roughly 25% of all the energy we get from food. That should tell you how important the brain is.

      • That is why we need to eat well to get the nutrients the body needs to move, and, even more importantly, for the brain to work properly.
      • In addition, it is also important to keep the brain active. Many neural connections in the brain will lose their function if not regularly used. Many people these days just watch TV or movies the whole day, sitting on a couch. That is bad for the physical body and the brain. The physical body needs physical exercises, and the brain needs ‘mental exercises.’ 
      • The best mental exercises for the brain are to engage in learning Buddha’s teachings. Abid has confirmed that for himself. Even solving crossword puzzles is better than watching TV/movies.

      4. The above ideas are discussed in many posts throughout the website. 

      5. Abid wrote: “This must be similar to OBE reports of people who were blind being able to see. It must be the gandhabba.”

      • The following account provides a real-left account to confirm that.
      • In some cases, people are born with the cakkhu pasāda rūpa in good condition, but the optic nerve (or the physical eye itself) may be damaged. In that case, they cannot see because the brain is not receiving signals from the eyes.
      • But if the gandhabba can come out of the body, it can see by itself. The following video clearly illustrates this situation.

      P.S. I see that Abid has posted a comment while I was writing mine. I will see whether I can add anything else regarding his following comment:

      “The interesting part is that when dementia patients are close to dying at the late stage of dementia, they experience “terminal lucidity” where they suddenly regain the abilities they lost, even after the massive brain damage that has occurred. For example, they can go from previously non-verbal to speaking again and also recollect all the memories they lost briefly.”

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    • #55430
      Lal
      Keymaster

      The following are two videos that explain the phenomenon of ‘terminal lucidity in dementia patients.’

      It turns out that science cannot explain it. I am not sure whether Buddha’s teachings on the gandhabba (explained in my above comment) can explain it either.

      • May be the arising of strong ‘javana cittas‘ in the gandhabba can make it possible.
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