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Exactly. That is why AI will NEVER be sentient.
- Thank you for posting that video, LDF. It nicely summarizes the dangers of AI even though it cannot be sentient (nuclear energy or any advanced technology can also be beneficial or dangerous.) It is up to us humans to use any technology for our benefit or our demise.
P.S. I am pleasantly surprised with the capabilities of ChatGPT. Following is one conversation I had with it yesterday.
Me: Which Arahant committed suicide? Do you know the sutta describing that incident?
ChatGPT4:
The Arahant you are referring to is Venerable Channa, also known as Channovāda Sutta. The incident of his suicide is described in the Pali Canon, specifically in the Samyutta Nikaya (Connected Discourses), in the 35th book, Salayatana-vagga, and the 87th sutta, Channovāda Sutta (SN 35.87).
Venerable Channa was a disciple of the Buddha who was suffering from severe physical pain due to an illness. In the sutta, he expresses his intent to use the knife, a euphemism for taking his own life. Despite being visited by fellow monks Sariputta and Mahacunda who tried to counsel him and offer support, Venerable Channa ultimately went through with his decision.
However, it’s important to note that the Buddha declared that Venerable Channa had attained Arahantship and would not be reborn, meaning that he was free from the cycle of birth and death (samsara) and had achieved the ultimate goal in Buddhism, Nibbana. Suicide is generally frowned upon in Buddhism, but this specific case is unique due to Venerable Channa’s spiritual attainment.
I watched the video “The A.I. Dilemma – March 9, 2023.”
- It does not discuss whether AI can be sentient/conscious or not. The focus is the possible perils of AI.
- I also recommend watching it. It analyzes the situation well.
1. I agree with the premise of the discussion there. We must handle AI with caution. Just like nuclear energy can have dangerous outcomes as well as benefits, AI can be helpful to us, but in the hands of evil people, it can bring disastrous outcomes too.
2. I chat with ChatGPT 4 on a regular basis. Let me comment on the Turing test.
- The Turing test was devised by the British mathematician and computer scientist Alan Turing to determine whether a machine can exhibit intelligent behavior indistinguishable from that of a human. In the Turing test, an evaluator interacts with two subjects, one human and one machine, without knowing which is which. If the evaluator cannot reliably tell the difference between humans and machines based on their responses, the machine is said to have passed the Turing test.
- Based on my interactions, I think ChatGPT 4 passes the Turing test.
- However, that DOES NOT mean AI is conscious.
3. Why do we learn and follow Buddha’s teachings? The Buddha taught us that sentient beings traverse the rebirth process (Samsara) due to their ignorance about the nature of this world with 31 realms.
- As long as we think and perceive that attaching to things in this world can benefit us, we will keep doing those things.
- That is what “sentient beings” do.
- AI is not sentient per that definition. That is the simplest way to look at it from the Buddhist perspective.
- Wondering whether AI is conscious is not a useful thing to do. However, as the video points out, we must take precautions on how to deal with the rapid progress of AI.
4. Another way to look at AI is as follows. Four Buddhas have been on this Earth within the past several billion years.
- Just like each Buddha Sasana flourished and vanished, it is quite likely that there have been many “ups and downs” in technological advances.
- For example, evidence is emerging that an advanced civilization over 20,000 years ago built some amazing structures that we can see today: “Back to Builders of the Ancient Mysteries (BAM) – Full Movie, Documentary.”
- One hypothesis for the disappearance of that civilization is a comet impact. Such comet impact also wiped out the dinosaurs some 60 million years ago.
- A billion years is an unfathomably long time. Many such catastrophic events can take place over four billion years. Another possibility is that a highly technologically advanced civilization develops nuclear weapons, and a nuclear war wipes out humans and their technology. There will be no trace of such civilization even after just a million years.
5. The main point is not whether AI can become sentient and take over the world. That WILL NOT happen. However, in the hands of vile people, AI technology can be misused and can destroy human civilization.
- While we should do whatever we can to educate others about such possible perils, the main goal should be to get to at least the Sotapanna stage as soon as possible and even further. No such calamities can affect the higher-lying Deva/ Brahma realms.
- Even if most humans are wiped out, no such disaster can kill the “manomaya kaya/gandhabba” created by Kammic energy. Thus, the human population will again build up over time. As I mentioned, many such cycles possibly took place over the past four billion years.
- Furthermore, in the case of a catastrophe like the above, AI will be wiped out, unlike sentient beings. It is possible that there were civilizations before us who also developed AI even further than us.
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“Is this “pleasure” also described by the word Assāda, as in Assāda, Ādīnava, Nissarana?”
Yes. That is indeed the critical point.
- Buddha never denied that there are “pleasurable things” in this world. That is why beings are trapped in the rebirth process. They look at only the “immediate gratification” (Assāda) offered by sensory pleasures.
- The “previously unheard teachings of the Buddha” is that those “pleasurable things” have “hidden suffering” (Ādīnava.)
- When one comprehends the Noble Truths/Paticca Samuppada/Tilakkhana, one can see how such Assāda leads to Ādīnava. See “Understanding the Terms in Paṭicca Samuppāda.”
- That is when one becomes a Sotapanna/Sotapanna Anugami and starts striving for Nissarna, which means “stop traveling the rebirth process.”
- There is a series of posts on “Assāda, Ādīnava, Nissarana.”
See, for example, “Baḷisa Sutta (SN 17.2),” where the Buddha compared those who have not comprehended Buddha Dhamma to a fish who only sees the bait as “pleasure.” They do not see the “hidden suffering” in sensory pleasures. Until they see it, they will be trapped in the rebirth process (samsara.)
- In that sutta, the Buddha compared sensory pleasures to “Māra’s hook.”
“What about question of “Why they are not subject to entropy “?
Can we even ask such questions?”
Of course, you can ask questions. If I did not give an answer to a question, ask again. Sometimes I think my reply has the answer, other times I may simply miss it.
- Entropy is associated with things with energy.
- Nāma gotta do not have energy. That is why I emphasized that they are only RECORDS.
- Entropy increases with time, as shown by the Second Law of Thermodynamics. That is going from “ordered states” to “disordered states” and is another manifestation of anicca nature.
- “Second Law of Thermodynamics is Part of Anicca!“
P.S. Regarding viññāṇa dhātu: “Where Are Memories Stored? – Viññāṇa Dhātu.”
Sakkaya ditthi can also be analyzed as “sa + kaya” or “my + kaya.”
- But it is neither mine nor someone else’s. It arises due to causes and conditions (Paticca Samuppada.)
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Many suttas explain that “this body is not yours; not someone else’s either.” It is a “hetu/phala.”
See, for example, “Natumha Sutta (SN 12.37).”
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“#1 They are not located anywhere but are everywhere all time.”
- Yes. They are in vinnana dhatu. The Buddha revealed that. Even today, scientists are aware of only five dhatu: patavi, apo, tejo, vayo, akasa. Material things are made of the first four and located in akasa dathu.
“What are nāma gotta are made up of then?
What mechanism ensures their permanence?”
- Nāma gotta are not”made up” of anything.
- They are only RECORDS of events that have happened.
- We can only convince ourselves of the truth of that. Without the existence of nāma gotta, no one can live!
- Think carefully about the above statement. See “The Amazing Mind – Critical Role of Nāmagotta (Memories).“
“#1 How the kammic energy is different from other types of energy that we understand (electrical energy, heat energy etc.) ?”
That is the only energy that can give rise to a sentient being with a hadaya vatthu and a set of pasada rupa.
I don’t need to watch videos by scientists who have no idea what the Buddha taught.
- Sentience CANNOT be there unless a hadaya vatthu and a set of pasada rupa (manomaya kaya) is created by kammic energy.
- The other point is that Budha Dhamma is all about stopping the suffering of sentient beings. AI will NEVER be sentient in many ways: One is that it cannot feel pain.
- Who says passing the Turing test PROVES that AI is sentient? Just because people say these things, we don’t need to believe them.
“#1 IF given AI agent cannot be differentiated from Human-agent”
Why is that given? What is the proof that AI is sentient?
- There is no point in discussing a conjecture until it is established that AI is sentient or it is possible for AI to be sentient.
- One could discuss WHETHER AI is sentient or if it is POSSIBLE that it can be sentient in the future.
- Unless strong evidence can be presented, this kind of discussion may not be useful.
P.S. I briefly discussed why AI will not be sentient at the end of the post “Nāmarupa – Different Types .” Also, see, “ChatGPT – How It Works.”
Good. Please don’t hesitate to ask questions.
- Contemplating these issues is the only way to make progress. I may not have looked into some of these issues too.
“Do pancakkhanda include kammaja kaya? If so, it contradicts the first statement. If not so, it contradicts the second statement.”
The problem with the question is in the bolded part. The gandhabba is the kammaja kaya. It has its pancakkhandha.
- In other words, when the gandhabba descends to a womb, it is accompanied by its pancakkhandha.
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Thanks for sharing your experience. Yes. It seems you did TWO right things.
- One was not to show anger to the manager and co-workers and to bear the unpleasantness. (Of course, it would have been OK to ask why you were demoted without showing anger. That information could be helpful in case if you did something wrong without realizing it.)
- The second was to leave the place ASAP.
The second point is important too. Vipaka materialize under suitable conditions. It might not have materialized if you had done the same work at a different place.
- All we can do is avoid conditions for the vipaka of the previous kamma to materialize. That is what I discussed in #4 of my above comment.
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Good idea. Thank you!
I added the following to the post:
13. The “Vicayahāravibhaṅga” in the Petakopadesa states the following: “Saṅkhāradukkhatāya pana loko anupādisesāya nibbānadhātuyā muccati, tasmā saṅkhāradukkhatā dukkhaṁ lokassāti katvā dukkhamassa mahabbhayanti.”
- The meaning is “If saṅkhāra-dukkha can be overcome, one will get to Nibbāna. Therefore, saṅkhāra-dukkha is the one with great danger (mahabbhaya or mahā + bhaya.)”
- An average human perceives the cultivation of (abhi)saṅkhāra as “pleasure.” An extreme example is raping a woman seeking sensory gratification. That involves vaci (planning/thinking) and kāya (implementing) abhisaṅkhāra. It could be enjoyable at that time. However, he will pay for that brief gratification for millions of years. Unimaginable but true!
- Thus, any such “pleasure” is short-lived (vipariṇāma dukkha) and will bring unimaginable dukkha-dukkha in the future. One must “see” the “hidden suffering in sensory pleasures” before getting to the Sotapanna stage.
- Until then, humans see the cultivation of (abhi)saṅkhāra as “pleasure.”
Excellent.
1. The last verse captures the essence. “Bhaya” is ‘danger,” and “mahabbhaya” (mahā + bhaya) is “great danger.”
2. An average human perceives the cultivation of (abhi)saṅkhāra as “pleasure.” An extreme example is raping a woman seeking sensory gratification. That involves vaci (planning/thinking) and kaya (implementing) abhisankhara. It could be enjoyable at that time.
- However, he will pay for that brief gratification for millions of years. Unimaginable but true!
- That is “the great danger.”
P. S.
3. It is a good idea to gradually contemplate the danger of even excessive sensory pleasures (such as craving tasty foods, music, etc.) See “Son’s Flesh” which is the translation of the “Puttamaṁsa Sutta (SN 12.63).”
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