April 22, 2023 at 7:13 am #44451dosakkhayoParticipant
“Rupā (normally translated as “forms”) are those in the external world: visuals of people, trees, etc., sounds, tastes, odors, and other objects that we touch. Rupā (plural of rupa) are made of the four great elements: pathavi, āpo, tejo, vāyo.
On the other hand, rupakkhandha (normally translated as the “aggregate of forms”) consists of a person’s MENTAL IMPRESSIONS of such rupa. In a day, we see, hear, taste, smell and touch many things, and ALL those impressions are added to a person’s rupakkhandha each second.”
In this explanation, pancakkhanda is nothing but mental impressions of rupa, vedana, sanna, sankhara, and vinnana. So sankhata(such as hadaya vatthu and pasada rupa) can not be included in pancakkhanda.
Please tell me if any of the four sentences below are wrong.
1. 18 dhatu = 6 internal ayatana + 6 external ayatana + 6 vinnana.
2. 12 ayatana(internal + external) is rupakkhanda.
3. 6 vinnana include vedanakkhanda, sannakkhanda, sankarakkhanda, vinnanakkhanda.
4. 18 dhatu = pancakkhanda.
According to this statement, internal ayatana(hadaya vatthu and pasada rupa) are included in pancakkhanda.
Therefore, descending of a paṭisandhi viññāna to a womb MUST be accompanied by all five khandas, which is the kammaja kāya of the gandhabba.
“The sensory faculties of an average human are “internal āyatana.” With those, an average person experiences the outside world AND forms attachments to them.
Then those external rūpā become “external āyatana“ (for example, “my house,” “my friend,” etc.); see “Contact Between Āyatana Leads to Vipāka Viññāna.” Therefore, external āyatana are the external rūpā that one gets attached to. For an Arahant, external rupās never become external āyatana; they are just external rupās.”
Do pancakkhanda include kammaja kaya? If so, it contradicts the first statement. If not so, it contradicts the second statement.
April 22, 2023 at 8:44 am #44453LalKeymaster
“Do pancakkhanda include kammaja kaya? If so, it contradicts the first statement. If not so, it contradicts the second statement.”
The problem with the question is in the bolded part. The gandhabba is the kammaja kaya. It has its pancakkhandha.
- In other words, when the gandhabba descends to a womb, it is accompanied by its pancakkhandha.
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April 23, 2023 at 6:51 am #44458dosakkhayoParticipant
“The problem with the question is in the bolded part. The gandhabba is the kammaja kaya. It has its pancakkhandha.”
OK. The problem has been solved now. Thank you. The question was made to translate it into Korean more neatly.
April 23, 2023 at 7:30 am #44459LalKeymaster
Good. Please don’t hesitate to ask questions.
- Contemplating these issues is the only way to make progress. I may not have looked into some of these issues too.
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