Post on “Growth of Pañcupādānakkhandha – “Anusotagāmi“”

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      dosakkhayo
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      Growth of Pañcupādānakkhandha – “Anusotagāmi“

      Before this, I couldn’t figure out the difference between “avijja paccaya sankhara” step and “vedana paccaya tanha” step.

      I thought the two happened simultaneously, but after reading this explanation, I realized that “avijja paccaya sankhara” occurs before “vedana paccaya tanha”.

      Thank you very much Lal.

      Also, I have a question.

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      2. New sensory input ALWAYS brings “kāma saññā” (“distorted saññā” in kāma loka) and the mind attaches to it if kāma rāga saṁyojana is unbroken (i.e., it happens to anyone below the Anāgāmi stage).

      • Based on that automatic attachment, that specific indriya becomes defiled, i.e., it is now an āyatana. For example, cakkhu indriya becomes cakkhu āyatana (same as “cakkhu” in most suttās), and cakkhu viññāṇa arises.
      • This is the first stage of cakkhu viññāṇa (the same as “ajjhatta viññāṇa”); see #7 of “Purāna and Nava Kamma – Sequence of Kamma Generation.”
      • Simultaneously, the mind prepares its version of the external rupa. This is the “cakkhu viññeyya rupa” (meaning “the rupa generated by cakkhu viññāṇa.”)

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      In the second bullet point, shouldn’t ajjhatta viññāṇa be bahiddha viññāṇa? Or is ajjhatta viññāṇa correct? According to Purāna and Nava Kamma – Sequence of Kamma Generation, the contamination of indriya by ayatana occurs in ajjhatta viññāṇa. However, the initial stage of vinnana is bahiddha viññāṇa. Therefore, the expression “This is the first stage of cakkhu viññāṇa (the same as ‘ajjhatta viññāṇa’)” may be somewhat misleading. Alternatively, I may have simply misunderstood. Please correct me if I have misunderstood anything.

    • #54769
      Lal
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      Very good. Yes. You are correct, and I just revised it as follows:

      This is the first stage of cakkhu viññāṇa (the same as “bahiddha viññāṇa,” which is immediately elevated to “ajjhatta viññāṇa”);..”

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