Lokuttara citta and first Jhāna?

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    • #55001
      Zapper
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      Hello people,
      I know that Lal has said to me that there are some contradictions in this particular Paticcasamuppada Vibhanga but I am not sure if this is a contradiction or I just don’t understand how it works.

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      To me, it seems like it’s implied that Lokuttara kusala citta is connected with the first Jhāna (and possibly the rest of the meditative absorptions).

      Here is the text. I will bold the specific words that have gotten my attention:

      2.10.4. Lokuttarakusalacitta

      279.1Katame dhammā kusalā? 279.2Yasmiṁ samaye lokuttaraṁ jhānaṁ bhāveti niyyānikaṁ apacayagāmiṁ diṭṭhigatānaṁ pahānāya paṭhamāya bhūmiyā pattiyā vivicceva kāmehi …pe… paṭhamaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharati dukkhapaṭipadaṁ dandhābhiññaṁ

      My questions are:
      How is Lokuttara connected with Jhāna? Isn’t Lokuttara above Jhāna? Or is Lokuttara also a more refined Jhāna? (Like Ariya Jhānas)

    • #55002
      Lal
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      Kusalaniddesa (section on Kusala Citta) starts here: “2. Kusalaniddesa

      1. Section 2.10.1.1. Mahākusalacitta through 2.10.1.4. Mahākusalacitta are on kamavacara (kama loka) kusala citta.

      2. Section 2.10.2. Rūpāvacarakusalacitta on mundane rupavacara (rupa loka) kusala citta. These are mundane (anariya) jhana.

      3. Section 2.10.3. Arūpāvacarakusalacitta on mundane arupavacara (arupa loka) kusala citta. These are mundane (anariya) rupa samapatti.

      4. Section 2.10.4. Lokuttarakusalacitta on rupavacara (rupa loka) Lokuttara kusala citta. These are Lokuttara (Ariya) jhana2.10.4. Lokuttarakusalacitta

      • It starts with “Yasmiṁ samaye lokuttaraṁ jhānaṁ bhāveti ..”

      __________

      So, I hope you have the answer above. 

      • Those cultivated mundane (anariya) jhana have kama raga suppressed, not eliminated.
      • In contrast, even the first Ariya jhana is reached by eliminating kama raga. Thus, only an Anagami or an Arahant would have Ariya jhana.
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