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I’m not quite sure where I read this, but I remember coming across the idea that in a citta vithi, the first two javana citta are involved in generating mano kamma. Yet, these two citta are said to lack the strength to produce kammic energy powerful enough to result in future rebirth.

As I pondered this, something struck me as odd. From what I understand, akusala mano kamma is generated through mano sankhara, which consists of abhijjha, domanassa, and micca ditthi. I recall reading in several posts on puredhamma that micca ditthi is a cause for rebirth in apaya.

Now, if micca ditthi is a type of mano kamma and mano kamma arises from the first two javana citta in a citta vithi, wouldn’t this be a contradiction? I wonder if there is an additional mechanism that I may have overlooked. Or perhaps I have misunderstood something? If so, I would appreciate any clarification. Thank you.

[Lal]

“I’m not quite sure where I read this..”

• “Āsēvana and Aññamañña Paccayā“

“Now, if micca ditthi is a type of mano kamma and mano kamma arises from the first two javana citta in a citta vithi, wouldn’t this be a contradiction?”

• There is no contradiction. 
• Mano kamma involves thoughts that arise automatically due to one’s unbroken samyojana. That is why those are the first javana cittas to arise. Thus, they are relatively weak.
• Each javana citta is strengthened by the previous one. Like a runner starting slowly, speeding up, and then slowing down at the end, javana cittas become weaker after the fifth. Thus, sixth and seventh javana cittas are progressively weaker.
• Thus, vaci and kaya abhisankhara are mostly associated with the javana citta #3 through #5 and weaken in #6 and #7.
• Kammic energy created in the first javana citta can bring vipaka in this life only. But #2 through #6 can bring vipaka in future lives, and #7 can bring vipaka only in the next life.
• That means javana citta #2 is strong enough to bring vipaka in future lives. But it is NOT ENOUGH to bring a rebirth (called “janaka kamma.”) Thus, kammic energy generated in javana citta #2 with mano sankhara can ONLY bring vipaka DURING A LIFE in future lives, i.e., it cannot give rise to a rebirth.

I explained that in a previous comment in the forum: “Reply To: Post on “Saṅkhāra – An Introduction”

P.S. Citta vithi explained in “Citta Vithi – Processing of Sense Inputs.”

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