Reply To: Sermon by Waharaka Thero on “Noble truth of suffering”

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I only intended to share another way of interpreting. I apologise if I brought anyone confusion, but I want to reiterate that the end conclusion is the same. It is because it is not possible to find a world where we will never experience disliked jāti, disliked jāra, disliked maranan because of the anicca nature of this world, that we have to find a solution to this. And the cause of disliked jāti, disliked jāra, disliked maranan, is tanha (second truth). Without tanha, will we find things likeable and dislikeable in the first place?

Amin has also shared a sermon with another interpretation of “p” = attachment. So Jatipi dukkha means attachment to Jati is dukkha. It is also something to contemplate about. Jati itself is not suffering, but our attachment to it causes suffering. We too can come up with end conclusion that the cause of suffering is from attachment.

From this, I wanted to ask if Jati in the first noble truth refers to all 3 kinds of Jati described in Jāti – Different Types of Births nameley 1) birth of being, 2) brith during lifetime, 3) birth of everything else in the world. If I am not wrong, for the posts about first noble truth on this site, the “birth of being” is the main definition used, but I wonder if you would agree if the second and third meaning also applies.