Reply To: Why can’t wise yogis become sotapannas

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Yash RS
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The missing part could be that they don’t know how to stop wanting of these worldly things.

They may have realised that sensuality is tormenting and can lead one to commit apayagami actions. But they still don’t know how to overcome its wanting. They suppress such cravings either by fear or by anariya jhana.

If someone doesn’t commit apayagami actions because it will lead him to suffer in future. That person is Not a Sotappana yet. He is just afraid of the consequences. A Sotappana does not want to commit any apayagami actions (except in extreme cases). The Sotappana doesn’t have such a thought towards anyone. As he has realised that to be committing apayagami actions, one must see value in the Sansara. 

People rape for sensual pleasure or in ego

People murder in rage or to possess someone’s wife, wealth, etc.

People steal because of value in objects.

People lie, do sexual misbehavior,etc.

All because they still feel intense value in such things.

A Sotappana has realised the Anicca nature of such things. That’s the difference.

That Yogi ,even though has seen the dangers of apayagami actions, doesn’t know the method to Permanently eradicate such desires. He is just afraid. He has seen sensuality is tormenting, but doesn’t know how to Permanently stop it’s cravings. That Yogi himself has seen all this by Suppressing Kama Raga! How would he ever realise to eradicate it permanently?

What he sees is just the following 

Do good deeds ,get good results 

Don’t do bad deeds, don’t get bad results 

They just don’t know how to stop committing these bad deeds automatically and permanently.