y not: The two suttas “Niṭṭhaṅgata Sutta (AN 10.63)” and “Aveccappasanna Sutta (AN 10.64)” do not rule out attaining various magga phala via jhanas.
- Those two suttas refer to attaining magga phala without any rupa jhana or arupa samapatti.
- If one attains either an Ariya or anariya jhana/samapatti, they will be reborn in a rupa loka or arupa loka (i.e., Brahma realms) and thus do not have a way to complete their journey from this loka, meaning kama loka.
- “Idha niṭṭhā” means “for certain without leaving kama loka.” Here, “idha” refers to “this loka” or “kama loka” and “niṭṭhā” means “with certainty.”
For all those who attain jhana, the above two suttas DO NOT APPLY.
- The new post “Ariya Jhāna and Anariya Jhāna – Main Differences” discusses suttas where one definitely leaves kama loka before ending their journey.
