Reply To: Difference between Tanha and Upadana

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“I’m not sure about what example to give for moha. Maybe something with micca ditthi? The thoughts: “if I do this particular procedure everyday, then I am guaranteed to get access to heaven forever in the afterlife, therefore I have to do this procedure diligently.”

This is not to ‘correct’ Upekkha in any way, just my viewpoint. Yes, miccha ditthi: The thoughts:” If i do……..” seems to me to be miccha ditthi in the forms of, at once, moha and vicikicca (forever in an after life), sakkayaditthi(it is fruitful for ME) and Silabbata Paramasa (do this particular procedure…do this procedure diligently).

As to Tanha via greed: it is hard to resist going back to enjoying something one likes(of course, in cases where you are thereby not harming any one else in any way). I myself cannot resist, to quote the example Upekkha gives, listening over and over again to a song I like. I see nothing wrong in it at all, per se. It is just the attachment, the fact that one is becoming attached and spending time which could otherwise have been dedicated to more beneficial activities – reading Dhamma, for instance.

The real danger to me seems to be Tanha via hatred, not only in the sense of the harm that one may be induced to commit to another as a result of that Tanha (via hatred) ; for that may or may not happen, depending on the degree of hatred so generated inside oneself. The harm to oneself is clear, though, and certain to follow. For years I have been training myself to prevent hate from arising from Tanha or from any other cause (with success, I humbly say); for instance, after watching some documentary about some despot or tyrant in history who caused great suffering to others. It is the feeling of hatred itself that I used to find most harmful; if not checked, it would go on for hours inside me, in some cases into the following days. Now I see the suffering which those perpetrators of all this suffering must go through themselves. It is all about compassion, even with regard to them.

Please correct me anyone if anything I said is not quite right.

Metta to all beings