Tobias wrote:
- ‘Kama raga will keep one bound to kama loka, that is to say with a heavy body, sickness, aging, physical ailments, the need to work-‘
But the kama loka realms above the human one are free from all these discomforts. These go only for the human and lower kama lokas.( I know Tobias knows this and said it only inadvertently.) A Sakadagami still has kama raga in the form of klesha kama and enjoys pleasures, though not of a coarse and selfish kind. It is more of an emotional oneness, freed from the fires of selfish lust so dominant in relationships here.
And klesha is not the correct qualification for this type of kama either,rather it is a longing for that which you know you already have.
-‘ Sooner or later he/she will see the dangers even in kama raga and also lose interest in more and more sense pleasures … Sakadagami stage follows inevitably. This is at least my experience’.-
One will have to get to the Anagami stage for that. A Sakadagami is not free from sense pleasures, though the ones he craves are of higher, finer type. ‘When he sees the danger even in (this type of) kama raga and also lose interest in more and more sense pleasures(of this type too)’ … Anagami stage follows inevitably. And the big leap is between Sakadagami and Anagami. This is my experience.