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@Lal,
Vanishing/disappearing : of course it’s the same.
“This is done not to embarrass you” : no worries Lal, i’m not “embarrassable.”
As for your questions, i’ll answer tomorrow using my own vocabulary – except perhaps for two concepts, for which i might use Pali words.
Now i’m not saying that what i have to say is the right / good answer (if not you’ll correct me -it’s by doing mistakes that one learns) , it will simply be my own sãnnã.@Lal,
no in fact what i want to mean is that i agree (it could be the reverse but in this case i agree) with firewens.
So my question “why is that?” relates to Parinibanna, meaning why is that all kamma vipaka vanishes when Parinibanna takes place.
To another this might seem negligible but to me it’s relevant; but no one needs to discuss about right away…i’m succeeding in getting rid of anxiety, which is a nuance of greed but an heavy one from a kammic viewpoint.Thanks
Correction:
“This lifestream will go on endlessly unless it comes across a Buddha… or an Arahant as a teacher“.
@firewens wrote: “Even an arahant or a fully enlightened Buddha experiences kamma vipaka, up until right before parinibbana, even if they have discarded all asavas and sanyojanas.”
Indeed…and why is that ?
@Ashish…
There is no soul as such, meaning soul as a specific/permanent-self-with-a-beginning in Buddha Dhamma. What exists is a mental body (gandhaba as you mentioned) resulting from endless rebirths… unless nibanna.
Another interesting definition that is given here to the whole formed by the gandhabba + body of flesh (as for human bhavas…) is “lifestream”, but one that goes on changing as per one’s intentions, thoughts, speech and actions.
This lifestream will go on endlessly unless it comes across a Buddha.I’ve no interest in to consider myself a teacher here, so don’t consider this a teaching, it’s but my view on your subject – as allowed by the forum rules.
:-) !!
Well what you wrote was of such a nature that i had to look for confirmation.
So thanks for confirming.@Lal wrote “This is why Angulimala became free of the apayas, even though he killed 999 people.”
So in other words one “can do” horrible deeds (like killing 1000 people) yet as much as one belongs to a sangha and has attained the sotapanna stage the kammic weight of such horrible deeds is considerably lightened ? Just asking.Exactly Firewens. I’ll explain again. If someone that is an adept of Buddha Dhamma perpetrates misdeeds whilst being conscious that he/she is perpetrating misdeeds, then is kamma will get heavier than the kamma of someone that isn’t an adept of Buddha Dhamma and isn’t aware that (he/she) is doing misdeeds ?
Hi,
“(their gandhaba could be hovering nearby, able to receive the wisdom of such teachings and chantings?) ” Curious, in the Pali Text Society Dictionnary one of the possible translations for gandhaba is angel.
“anantariya akusala kamma” : to me this is about the difference between misdeeds consciously perpetrated and not consciously perpetrated.
If one perpetrates a misdeed whilst being aware of Buddha Dhamma,then the kammic debt will be heavier ?@Akvan wrote “Anicca is the inability to maintain something the way one wants it to be / or the way he likes it.” Of course of course, but it might be important to add why or why according each one’s understanding.
According my understanding it’s because such satisfaction is rooted on some level of dosa/patigha, lobha/raga and/or moha/avijja. Already here it’s “easy” to see some of the connections between Anicca and Anatta, which appear in the form of a vicious circle; an why and how dukkha is caused by both, and why and how dukkha i.e. in the form of resentment might by its turn increase anicca and anatta.P.S. – but not every satisfaction is rooted as above; i.e. satisfaction coming from altruistic behaviours which is “natta satisfaction”.
Thanks Lal, Y not.
Y not: Yes the Gita i wrote once a thesis on it for the Hindu Depart. of the Oxford University.
Firewens, as for why one would be more inclined to contemplate on one of the 3 marks, the following association (just an exemple) comes automatically to my mind : saddha – faith – heart – dukkha. Just a little hint.
How best to contemplate…? Of the 3 “qualities” which prevails in you ? Or are you a mix? I’m a balance between the 3, so sometimes i focus only on on one of them, otherwise i like the “vibe” when i’m looking for the connections between the 3… But always with my own life-experience(s) as a background, otherwise the bhavana will not penetrate you “till your bone’s marrow”…
I find the following in the glossary except for pragna…
Viriya – inclined to effort. Shadda – inclined to faith. Pragna (prajna?): not in the glossary but i deduce that it will be: inclined to intellectual understanding, the knowledgeable person.
Subject to confirmation / higher expertise
Seeing that we’re talking about rebirth… the following could explain, partly,what i call “collective kamma” :
““Bhikkhus, those who depart from the human realm, those will be reborn as humans or devas can be compared to the few grains of sand that I pickup on my fingernail. Those who are reborn in the lower four realms are exceedingly many, compared to the sand on this great Earth”.
Meaning, how to explain all the collective suffering of so many innocent people at once (innocent as for the actual bhava that their gandhabbas are grasping in their actual bodies) in Siria, african countries, etc etc… ? Hundreds of people dying all at the same moment who didn’t do any really serious misdeed all along their (even) shorter life?
