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Lal said: Can you come out of the physical body and see the physical body from above?
In Bodhgaya, it did not happen but in 1995 I had this experience of coming out of body and could see my body from above. At that time, I had not known what it is and did not have anyone to explain to me.
Then, over the period, had understood that it is Out of Body Experience.
Lal said: Whose manomaya kaya was that? Humans or animals?
It is of human. The manomaya kaya is white in color and looks translucent or hazy or cloudy with eyes and ears as in humans.Lal said: You saw your own physical body AND that of YOUR gandhabba (manomaya kaya)?
After seeing others at the Bodhgaya temple, was able to see how the manomaya kaya in my body looks. It exactly replicates the physical body and all the sense inputs are felt by this body and nothing as such is felt by this material body And that is the reason, the body upon death becomes log of wood and was clear to me.
Lal said: Does a human gandhabba resembles a human (in shape or outline), and animal gandhabba its own animal shape?
Yes. Human will look like human and animal accordingly to its body shape except for limbs and hands not fully seen since it will be like a white blanket over a physical body.
Dear Tobias,
Here is the link to Girimananda Sutta Desana on YouTube
29th Aug – Asubha Sanna – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n9Vi948-BI
22nd Aug – Asubha Sanna – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb8EtUe0mAE&t=2079s
15th Aug – Anatta Sanna – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRzZ0axdfHs&t=6sDo let me know if you are also interested in joining the desana held every Wednesday, 6:30 PM Sri Lanka / India time. The organiser could send you the link on Skype where you can login
Glad to hear Tien and went through the complete explanation you have provided. Seems to be on the right track in releasing oneself from the pain of sansara.
Certainly, Lal has been doing most profound work in spreading out correct teachings of Buddha and let him achieve supreme bliss of Nibbana in this life itself.
Your assessment of how ant would have been a deva or brahma or manaussa is correct and that is how anyone can become if not becoming a sotapanna.
May you attain supreme bliss of Nibbana by becoming Arahat soon.
Very grateful to Buddha Dhamma and glad that you find it appropriate.
Here is the link to Girimananda Sutta
http://www.buddha-vacana.org/sutta/anguttara/10/an10-060.html
I’m chanting Gatha or Prayer to Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha plus calling all beings to participate in hearing Buddha teachings and attain phala samapatti.
I’ve been doing discourse for last few weeks on Girimananda Sutta and would be glad to share the link of YouTube videos were you can listen to them and also participate in the desana which is done on Skype.
Lal, can I share the video link so that people can benefit from Girimananda Sutta of Dasa Sanna.
During April 2018, had got an opportunity to discuss Dhamma in Sri Lanka and then Thero’s there requested me to share experiences and Pure Dhamma to people outside Sri Lanka through YouTube and Skype.
Have been sharing my experiences with Lal for sometime now and based upon his suggestion, shared some of it in Forum.
Then, while discussing with Lal again, he wanted me to share many more experiences I’ve been having in forum and then I requested him whether the desana can be shared in the forum which I’ve got this opportunity to deliver week after week since April 2018.
Accordingly, sharing one of the desana of 8th August and have been doing Desana relating to Girimananda Sutta and how one can see all the aspects and reach towards liberation from raga, dvesha and moha thus clearing the path to perfection.
Request forum members to listen to this desana and let me know your views or comments and would be happy to discuss.
Ajjhata means internal and bahida is external.
Meaning, through seeing rupa, vedana, sanna, sankhara and vinnana through kaya, vedana, chitta and dhamma, once can see how the internal rupa and 4 kandas become upadana or holding on and comparing it with external.
This is where, we get into desire to possess more when it matches and reject those which do not match our internal khandas.
Thank you so much for the video Johnny. What you see there is almost what is explained in Agganna Sutta.
You see how Buddha was able to see these and explain to those 2 Brahmin bhikku’s and for all of us, as you rightly said, need to either continue with this odyssey or get out of it and allow others to continue.
With that approach, each one of us will get to a level to “let go” and “stop the wheeling process” as there is nothing substantial to hold as “I’m or mine” and stop creating matter from mind.
There is another saying from Dhammapada: mano pubbangama dhamma, mano settha manomaya, manasa ce padutthena bhasati va karoti va which is exactly we are creating moment after moment and when awareness is cultivated, each one of us can “stop creating” since creation has destruction as the ultimate aim forever.
You are very right Johnny. Since matter is always created by beings, universe comes into existence, sustain for sometime and then dissolve.
This process keeps on repeating itself unless the beings stop craving for matter and understand the worthlessness and then “stops” this never ending process of samsara.
Johnny, Aganna Sutta precisely explains how the world comes into existence and at the time of dissolution, how all beings move into Abhassara Brahma realm and then depending upon gati of each of these beings, corruption starts to arrive.
Which means, beings or gandabba now start creating matter based upon their gati and hence the entire world starts to evolve.
I suggest you read this Sutta (none on internet has correct interpretation) but I found one here better than all others: http://www.palicanon.org/en/sutta-pitaka/transcribed-suttas/majjhima-nikaya/142-mn-88-bhitika-sutta-the-cloak.html
Lal is very much right that explaining Aganna Sutta which is key to mystery to everything we see is a time consuming process. I guess he will start on this at appropriate time.
In summary, everything what gandabba thinks or better using pali word of chitta is how the matter is formed using the suddastaka – 4 basic element of pathavi, apo, vayo, and tejo which is formed out of avijja and 4 upadrupa of vanna, rasa, gandha and ojha formed out of tanha or attachment.
Which means, all beings which create matter are ignorant of how these are formed due to greed, aversion and blind faith (ignorance) coupled with attachment to all that can be created. So, beings start creating through thoughts and that is how world appears for that particular being (gandabba) and disappears (marana / cuti) since it is all bramana and pari-bramana or movement of these photons and electrons which make up the entire so called universe.
Thank you Lal.
By the way, myself and my son like Richard Feynman a lot since he explains QM in a simple way.
We both have watched videos, discussed in length and the moment you started about QM, was very happy that the stage is set right for Dhamma and QM as they are inter-linked – Mind makes matter and this is the right forum to explore within oneselves and get rid of Satkayaditti
Lal, this morning had interesting experiences while thinking about rupa formation and QM
From your post about electron orbitals, we can infer on bramana and pari-bramana which gets energised by chitta. (covered in your post: https://puredhamma.net/living-dhamma/rupa-aggregate/bhuta-and-yathabhuta-what-do-they-really-mean/) Meaning, mind creating matter is what these electron orbitals are.
When these create maha-bhoota from suddastaka, depending upon how the gati is, the rupa gets formed and that is what is sensed by the 6 senses and then goes about reacting to it
Once it reaches maha-bhoota stage, these particles say photons or electrons or neutrons can possibly be anywhere within the measurement medium and will have wave function depending upon the gati defined by the gandabba
This I felt very fascinating as an experience and wanted to share with you and also find out whether my assessment of QM wtih gati is right.
Comments from you is welcome.
I agree with you Lal.
QM is above Suddastaka stage and it is unfair to compare with Chitta. I did not mean that in my explanations but was looking at similarities when chitta or thought movements start, the particles behave based upon certain gati it follows and when there is change in gati due to tuning or by occurance, then the pattern changes which means the particles change from wave function to just follow a typical path.I’m also aware and 100% agree that matter is created by mind and not otherway around. Also it is right that people tend to connect QM to mind but that is not true. Please excuse me if I tend to give you that impression
with my post. The operating level and rules are entirely different including the experiences one could get. Thus, mind is root cause of matter.Since you were talking about QM and Kamma & Kamma vipaka, a thought arrived in my mind to kindle that interface.
However, coming to just QM, your explanation and research in this aspect is very good and appreciate the essence which you have brought here, because at a deeper level, we can see that Dhamma (as in mental formations) is connected with QM what science is trying to unearth using experiments conducted mathematically and logically.
Good metaphor Johny.
Lal said: Photons are ALWAYS particles. They travel as particles and are detected as particles. But the position of a photon during travel cannot be pinned down to a point (due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle; see, “What Is a Wave and What Is a Particle?”). Only POSSIBLE LOCATIONS of the photon at any time (and the probability of detection at each location) are provided by the wave function that represents the photon.
Where as Wave just transport energy and not matter and that is perfectly correct in QM
That being the case, the entanglement happens since the particle functions sometimes sometime behaves like wave or particle when observed.
This I believe how thoughts behave when observed or not observed. Meaning, considering that each thought is made out of billions of particles which are non locular, then the probability of it taking a particular course cannot be predicted, but can be stated to be available, but when observed would collapse, thus coming to its basic state.
The famous double slit experiment can be easily interpreted in my opinion considering each chitta veethi consisting of billions of particles going in a particular way as particles with one slit, but when put through double slit, it now has freedom to choose either to hit at one side or move through different sides thus creating an interference pattern. When these chitta veethi is observed, then it follows the straight line hypothesis where the particles seem to take a particular direction or side and stop creating the interference pattern which otherwise was happening without any measurement.
Another way in my opinion is to look at where non locality need not always tend towards entanglement which has been proven by various experiments and that being the case, a person’s thought process v/s another person’s thought process on the same object can be same or varied depending upon what is being perceived (in a wave function) and how these particles decide on what would be the next action. If there were to be independence instead of interdependence, then say person’s A decision making can be said to be same as B or different than B or collapses or cancels out if these separable particles tend to change decision later. That would mean these particles are somehow entangled and creates mixed states where it might be local or non-local and prediction cannot be precisely made as particles tend to “decide” differently when observed and not observed.
Lal, comments and criticism are welcome
Dear Lal,
Very nice desana and helps a novice to understand what he/she should or should not.
May you attain Arahat phala in this life for the dhamma you are doing.
Seeing Anicca Sanna is the real progression on the path of liberation since nothing can come to one’s rescue in long run with nicca sanna.
