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Saurabh@2110 wrote: “I also think jhanas are necessary till some time only just as sir lal said that one should not forcefully try to avoid sensual pleasures which might even lead to depression! I think same goes for jhanas as well but this maybe applies to anariya jhanas only and not to ariya jhanas which are the domain of anagamis/arahat I think.”

  • Attaining an anariya jhana will not guarantee attaining a magga phala
  • One must either attain an Ariya jhana or enter the Satipaṭṭhāna Bhūmi to attain a magga phala. Both require comprehension of the Noble Truths, Paṭicca Samuppāda, and Tilakkhana (all are equivalent).
  • Most people attain magga phala without going through Ariya jhana by entering the Satipaṭṭhāna Bhūmi.
  • Of course, one with the ability to get into anariya jhana can attain magga phala by comprehending the Noble Truths.
  • This is discussed in “Overcoming Kāma Saññā – Satipaṭṭhāna Bhumi or Jhāna.”
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