Reply To: Dukkha with a Double K

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TripleGemStudent
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“How can Dukkha be felt as Sukha, Dukha and AdukhamaSukha”

Dukkha to me doesn’t necessary mean just “suffering” as a (vedana). But of course I could agree to that dukkha can mean suffering (as a vedana), suffering that can be removed, unsatisfactoriness and other meanings. 

Something for consideration is that from my current understanding, one should look / see / contemplate “dukkha” beyond than just vedana itself. Not taking dukkha just as vedana, but also as a characteristic, process, mechanism.

Here’s a post from PD that can help to further communicate what I’m trying to convey.

 

This past while, I have been trying to come up with other possible ways to contemplate, see, understand more about “dukkha”. So far what I have been able to think of to contemplate more on what dukkha could possibly mean is, “defiled / corruption / corrupted / corrupting”. What’s quite interesting to me is that some of the definitions for the word “corruption” actually could convey some of the examples that I believe to fit dukkha quite well as a characteristic / process / mechanism. Here are some examples. 

Definitions

The action or effect of making someone or something impure.
The process by which something is changed from its original state to one regarded as erroneous.
The act or state of worsening or making or getting worse.
The characteristic of being devious or underhanded.
The wrong or improper use of something.
A corrupting influence that is difficult to eradicate.
A false, absurd, or distorted representation of something.
Distortion or corruption of the original course, meaning, or state of something.
A fault or flaw that compromises someone or something.
An act involving dishonesty or deception.

 

Many of these definitions resonate with me especially “A false, absurd, or distorted representation of something”.

A perfect example of this definition that relates to dukkha (for me) would be when we experience dependently originated feelings such as sukha. When a puthujjana experiences sukha, they believe that sukha comes from the outside world. It could possibly be from a “thing, object, item, person” and so on. But they don’t know, see, understand the true reality of the sukha that their experiencing or the phenomenon that they’re experiencing. So what puthujjana’s do is when they experience a pleasurable / pleasant experience, they try to maintain this experience or continuously seek experiences that can bring sukha (pleasurable, pleasant experiences) either through moral or immoral means. To me, as long as one doesn’t understand and see at that moment how that sukha vedana or any phenomenon arises, any dependently originated vedana or phenomenon is a false / distorted representation.

– Is everything Dukkha? If so “what” is overcome and “how”?

It’s my believe that everything is dukkha as long as one doesn’t understand and mindfully meditate on the 4 Noble truths / samma ditthi with each experience / phenomena and maintaining it through one’s experiences with samma sati and samma samadhi.

 

To me, in short as long as avija, asava’s, vipallasa’s, defilements still remains for that satta, that is dukkha even if one is experiencing sukha (pleasurable, pleasant sensations) that is dependently originated. 

“What is overcome?” Avija, asava’s, defilements, kilesa’s, anusaya’s or basically corruptions / distortions / defiled / akusala views, perceptions and thoughts.  

“How?” That’s the Noble 8 Fold Path.