Siebe said:
“Listening to a gradual dhamma-teaching and then there is the arising of the pure and spotless Dhamma-eye by al listenor, is mentioned in DN3§2.21, DN5§9, DN14§3.15, MN56§18, SN35.74 (numbers en §§ refer to DN translation Walshe en MN and SN translations Bodhi).
It is said that this arising of the spotless Dhamma-eye refers to Stream-entrence. Is this what you are looking for?..”
Thanks, Siebe. Yes. There are many suttas where it is mentioned that one attained the Sotapanna phala while listening to a desana.
What I am looking for is the mechanism. This is what I wrote in the post “Four Conditions for Attaining Sōtapanna Magga/Phala”:
“3. September 22, 2017: Previously, I had stated that one could learn about Tilakkhana by reading these days. That is still true and one could become a Sōtapanna anugāmi by reading.
However, recently I came upon a dēsanā by the Waharaka Thēro which stated that a Sōtapanna anugāmi attains the Sōtapanna stage only while listening to a dēsanāby an Ariya (Noble person, i.e., one with at least the Sōtapanna stage).
Apparently, a Sōtadvāra citta vithi of an Ariya (during a dēsanā) has the necessary javana power to act as a trigger. I am trying to find a Tipitaka reference, and I would appreciate receiving it from anyone who has that information. I will edit this post to include that reference when I find it.
However, Waharaka Thēro has mentioned that listening to a recorded dēsanā should count, per his opinion.
The phala moment is triggered by an energy in the sound wave emitted by an Ariya (javana power of the Ariya). So, I think it should be in the Abhidhamma Piṭaka, where such details remain hidden.”
Four Conditions for Attaining Sōtapanna Magga/Phala
In other words, one cannot attain the Sotapanna phala by listening to the same discourse given by an anariya (i.e., one who has not attained at least the Sotapanna stage).
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